ASCII/Retro tilesets

kevin.granade · 2013-11-04T18:38:05.000Z

This looks so awesome I could cry, I’m having C64 Ultima flashbacks.

It sounds like the biggest things you need are a way for new entities to have a default tile based on their category, and a way to enumerate the entities, their symbols, and their tiles. Does that sound right?

Also I hate to be that guy, but if we’re going to incorporate this into the main release, we need a license from the guy on csdb.dk, not just “yea sure use it”. CC-BY or CC-BY-SA would be ideal, -NC and -ND would not work. I’m sure there are other licenses that would work as well, but I’m not redistributing without a license.

GlyphGryph · 2013-11-04T18:49:58.000Z

HRose:

Yes, but I can’t make “categories”.

Kevin basically beat me to it, but my response was essentially going to be “Ah, but I can, if I knew it was needed and we had a list of what should go in what category”.

Tsu · 2013-11-04T18:52:43.000Z

the “Unknown” tile currently tiles on anything that is missing a tile declaration in the game, could it be possible to tile things to groups? Because that would make maintaining a tileset far easier.

Atleast for me I would use that for item groups, rather than writing the hundred lines of different id’s and linking them to the same tile.
Additionally it might be interesting to have a way to figure out what is not currently tiled in a readable format that presents you with the missing Id’s

HRose · 2013-11-04T20:02:31.000Z

Tsu:

the “Unknown” tile currently tiles on anything that is missing a tile declaration in the game, could it be possible to tile things to groups? Because that would make maintaining a tileset far easier.

I guess it could be done in the sense that you can redefine a tile twice and the last definition takes priority. So code-wise you could have categories on top, and then specific definitions.

So specific definitions come after and take priority, then falls back to categories, and then to “unknown”.

HRose · 2013-11-04T20:07:11.000Z

Kevin Granade:

Also I hate to be that guy, but if we’re going to incorporate this into the main release, we need a license from the guy on csdb.dk, not just “yea sure use it”. CC-BY or CC-BY-SA would be ideal, -NC and -ND would not work. I’m sure there are other licenses that would work as well, but I’m not redistributing without a license.

Of course. And I don’t think the guy will really have issues.

In any case I’m using probably not more than 10 tiles or so from the original tileset. Most of the stuff is tweaked or redone by me. What’s currently copied: some vegetation, sidewalk and some of the monsters and animals.

Even the “dots” on the ground are “mine” since the tileset is 8x8 and I’m using 10x10, so nothing tiles well and I had to redo those dots.

Miloch · 2013-11-05T06:40:02.000Z

Can this get added to the main build?

jokaro · 2013-11-05T07:23:15.000Z

I can’t really tell from the conversations in this thread. But is it possible to play with this tile set? Or will things missing in the tileset be invisible?

kevin.granade · 2013-11-05T15:38:43.000Z

There’s a fallback tile that gets displayed, so you can see something is there, but not what it is.

ramesesniblet · 2013-11-06T15:56:23.000Z

I’ve been playing with it for a few days and it’s really nice. Some videos if anyone wants to see how it is in motion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnlH4dRwsO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-yEfjo7AE

Wayfarer · 2013-11-07T04:02:34.000Z

Ooh, looks cool. A bit different.

Might give it a whirl at some point.

system · 2013-11-07T10:55:42.000Z

Wow, I am impressed. Usually I never use tilesets. Neither in DF nor CDDA. Because I learn the game with ascii and had to “re-learn” all the symbols when installing a tile set.

But this… this is sooo adorable! If you will keep it updated frequently, I will use that one form now on. Nice job!

wad67 · 2013-11-09T00:02:31.000Z

This looks amazing, Well done and keep up the good work.

jcannon98188 · 2013-11-09T01:08:11.000Z

Natures Witness:

I mean like a Batch file or something that looks through the game code and prints up a list of every tile ID it finds. Then we just work our way down the list and add in which tile goes to which ID.

Is there still a want for this? I could maybe code something up for it.

TheNineRings · 2013-11-09T01:23:03.000Z

Yeah, that’d be really useful.

GlyphGryph · 2013-11-09T03:34:48.000Z

HRose - Release Candidate for 0.9 is out.

If you wanted a single, stable, unmoving target, you’ve got it, at least for a little while.

Hopefully you can get this up to par and figure out the rights stuff because I would absolutely love to ship this packaged into the actual release.

jcannon98188 · 2013-11-09T04:26:43.000Z

https://app.box.com/s/yukbjsotsui7stcra8m2

I wrote this up. It uses C# .Net 4.0 (sorry linux/mac guys)

Usage is more or less simple. Run the Program. Click “Select original tile_config.json” and point it towards the gfx/tile_config.json file. Then click “Select your tile_config.json” and point that towards the tile_config.json file you are writing. It will compare the two, and list all missing id’s in a file called “missing.txt” which it will ask you to place. Let me know if something doesn’t work right or if additional functionality is requested. I can also recode this in python if needed in case cross platform functionality is required. I probably won’t be checking this post for replies though, so feel free to pm me.

HRose · 2013-11-09T11:06:13.000Z

[quote=“GlyphGryph, post:75, topic:3676”]HRose - Release Candidate for 0.9 is out.

If you wanted a single, stable, unmoving target, you’ve got it, at least for a little while.

Hopefully you can get this up to par and figure out the rights stuff because I would absolutely love to ship this packaged into the actual release.[/quote]

I’d rather see this and other fixes, actually: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/3883

HRose · 2013-11-09T11:20:57.000Z

Also, I’m not sure it’s possible to contact that guy.

His name doesn’t seem locked to an account (can’t click on it), and I tried registering but you have to pass through some moderation process AND I HATE THAT.

P.S.
The best hope to see me updating the thing is to post savegames with stuff broken or looking wrong.

GlyphGryph · 2013-11-09T13:39:56.000Z

I’ll see if I can get ahold of him then.

Edit: His name IS locked to an account on Tig Forums, and he’s been active fairly recently - I’ll try there. He also frequents the #rgrd chat, so I’ll try hanging out there for a while as well.

HRose · 2013-11-09T14:06:11.000Z

Ok, here a thing.

I just spent a VERY long time going through all “books.json” to add ALL entries to the tileset. It’s insane work.

This is something that needs to be refactored and that is more important than categories: we need a way to bind tiles NOT through IDs, but through ASCII colors.

It’s just not remotely possible to bind every single ID. The real problem here is that there are like 50 books that have different IDs but that are all shown as a pink “?”. So I don’t want to use 50 entries IDs in my tile file. I just want to bind the pink “?” ASCII to a tile.

So, basically, we should build tiles for ASCII+color combinations. There should be an automatic method/output file that lists every combination and what it is associated to. Something like the green “/” represents this list of objects. And then let tiles bind one tile to the green “/” and not IDs (unless overridden with a specific ID).

So the tile_config.json should first have a block where you bind all ASCII and colors. THEN an optional block where you bind single IDs, if you want.

But that way every time you add stuff to the game, you ALWAYS have tile mode working perfect, because it can always output that ASCII+color combination by default.