Potential Buildings

acidia · 2013-06-04T13:40:59.000Z

Even before the outbreak, prisoners were being used as test subjects for experiments using the “sub-prime” mutagens and what-not. After the outbreak started the government ran a coverup campaign that required “hiding” massive numbers of bodies to prevent the public from becoming aware of the situation. The sarcophagi were originally designed to house radioactive and biological waste below the water table in a stable environment for thousands of years due to long radioactive half-life, a scaled down version of the Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Repository. In a hurry, the vaults were the best option to dispose of the undead without the publicity nightmare of giant mountains of burning bodies.

Slax · 2013-06-04T20:31:28.000Z

How about adding a mortuary and complex, generated cemeteries to the to-do list?

KA101 · 2013-06-05T01:41:18.000Z

acidia:

Even before the outbreak, prisoners were being used as test subjects for experiments using the “sub-prime” mutagens and what-not. After the outbreak started the government ran a coverup campaign that required “hiding” massive numbers of bodies to prevent the public from becoming aware of the situation. The sarcophagi were originally designed to house radioactive and biological waste below the water table in a stable environment for thousands of years due to long radioactive half-life, a scaled down version of the Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Repository. In a hurry, the vaults were the best option to dispose of the undead without the publicity nightmare of giant mountains of burning bodies.

Yeah, that’s what I thought–I’ve read the lab notes. Good to know, though.

kevin.granade · 2013-06-05T14:48:47.000Z

This simply beautiful, I can’t say enough times how much we appreciateeverything you’re putting into the game, it’s amazing stuff

GlyphGryph · 2013-06-05T15:40:31.000Z

I really need to add Acidia to the web page credits

100Rads · 2013-06-06T16:10:12.000Z

I really love your buildings Acidia!
I have a suggestion for a building, it is not actually a building, but anyway.
Scrapyards. A big, fenced, mountain of junk. It would have a bunch of steel frames, chunks of metal, pipes, and other metallic parts. It would be very useful if you wanted to build a vehicle from scratch. It should have a low-medium amount of zombies though. Or the alternative, junkyards. They have a bunch of torn/broken clothing, broken lawnmovers, paper wrappers and similar junk items. Maybe even some car chassises. The entrance should have some kind of a guard house.

kevin.granade · 2013-06-06T16:29:41.000Z

Also something for the idea pile, although it may have been mentioned before:
construction site (pre):
Mostly just a fenced-off cleared lot.

construction site (excavation):
Fenced off
A big pit excavated for a foundation
Heavy excavation tools
construction supplies

construction site (foundation):
Fenced off
pit replaced by a concrete foundation
construction supplies

Construction site (framing):
Fenced off
concrete foundation with a variable amount of partially-complete walls
Construction supplies

Construction site (finishing):
(not fenced off)
Walls complete
construction supplies
Possibly part of floor finished, some scattered furniture.

Progress past that point might just be considered a finished whatever building.

Implementation wise, the first few stages would probably be a distinct construction site location.
The latter ones though, with walls, furniture etc, might actually be existing buildings run through a finishing function that takes a finished building and uses heuristics to “un-finish” it and make it incomplete. e.g. removing normal items, adding construction supplies, removing furniture and replacing with floor tiles, replacing some floor with “unfinished concrete floor” tiles, replacing floor tiles with “sidewalk” tiles (no roof), replacing wall tiles with “partially complete wall” tiles, removing doors, adding fence around perimiter.

acidia · 2013-06-07T02:34:44.000Z

Hey, I’m just happy to see the game still chugging along. Can’t wait to see everything that is to come!

The building site and junk yard are pretty good. I can get a residential construction site up this weekend, there the floor plan is simple enough that deconstruction code wouldn’t be needed. I like the idea of commercial construction but I’ll have to take a look at how difficult it would be to get something that looks nice.

I like the idea of graveyards but I’m not sure how they should fit in. Few of the bodies will get up since the individuals wouldn’t have been exposed to the sub-prime mutagen, those that had likely wouldn’t have stayed dead long enough to be buried.

 Since the sarcophagus basement is in a bit of a hitch due to the elevator mass transit bug this weekend I'll either clear out the zombies in the immediate area of the elevator or try and work out a hacky solution for now... I went ahead and threw the ground level of the prison in game.  Trying to make the building have a more unique feel, I've re-drawn the basement a few times.  It houses the cafeteria, showers, isolation/death row, laundry, guard changing room, and execution chamber.  There really shouldn't be a reason to visit the prison unless you are on a quest... the chance to recover ammo and firearms is outweighed by the presence of a disproportionate number of brutes and the difficulty of navigating a facility designed to contain people.  The only way to even enter is either using explosives or driving a car straight through the front of the building.  Here is an old picture, I added guard towers at the fence corners and stairs for the basement.

As far as quests go, one of the vigilante quests involves investigating reports of prisoners vanishing being taken to the labs for experimentation and one of the martyr quests that I hope to add a fork to, searching for a visionary that was mentioned in the priest’s diary. The next quest would depend on what you brought back, either the “visions of a prisoner” or a black rock with a red scar… I wonder where that path will lead.

Soron · 2013-06-07T02:56:16.000Z

Awesome, that looks pretty interesting :).

There’s a fix for the elevator bug in the pipeline, so hopefully you can get back on the HWS basement soon enough.

We also need to get your current batch of missions reviewed, they look nifty.

Slax · 2013-06-07T14:06:46.000Z

Do we have any sort of fallout or bomb shelters? LMOE shelters, sure, but nothing “civilian”. Dried foods, large canisters, sheets… that kind of stuff. Maybe even some sort of generator for heat and lights.
Be nice to accidentally stumble upon such hidden treasures. Under a secret farm house trap door or some such.

kevin.granade · 2013-06-07T15:02:32.000Z

LMOE is supposed to be civilian, it’s supposed to be a survivalist building and stocking a shelter, although now that I think of it, the thing is entirely too easy to get into.

More survivalist basements has been floated before, and sounds good to me.

iceball3 · 2013-06-07T17:12:57.000Z

I got a suggestion for some new constructions…[quote=“iceball3, post:53, topic:261”]You could also find some difficult to identify experimental medication within pharmacutical testing establishment. Prototype purifier pills perhaps?
Speaking of, the game needs mundane labs too. Not all labs are deep underground with deadly auto killify dissection lazers, black goo, human test subjects, machine gun robots, manhacks, or bionics, right? It’d be nice to see labs specializing in specific departments such as medicine, ecological preservation, testing of machines such as thoused for mining and law enforcement, bionics, and et cetera. Such that most labs wouldnt be identical environments, while still offering insight in the leading technology of this time period.[/quote]

GlyphGryph · 2013-06-11T03:10:12.000Z

Acidia has been added to the “Major Active Contributors” list on the website. Thanks Acidia - you are amazing.

Slax · 2013-06-14T21:12:15.000Z

Have you considered reworking and improving vanilla buildings at all, acidia? Most notably at this point, homes. They’re beginning to stand out as relatively empty, random mishmash storage locations more and more, which isn’t exactly a bad thing but the difference is like night and day. I love what you did with apartment towers. Actually feels like you’re entering someones home (gross bookshelf beer and all).

So, maybe it’s time to go rustic. Suburban if need be. Urban! Lawns, porches, driveways, shacks, maybe a small garage. Everything from long abandoned old shacks and low-cost housing to big, high roller villas.
Retaining the random generation aspect would of course be a good thing though, if at all possible.

DWC · 2013-06-14T23:21:58.000Z

Out of all the vanilla buildings, the design of the missile silo is seriously awful. Like really bad.

Everybody knows what a missile silo looks like IRL, with the little shack and the chain link fence and parking lot and all. The interiors being entirely steel and everything, it’s pretty simple. The silo in cata is pretty much like a vandalized sinkhole where the local high school kids go to drink beer.

Austupaio · 2013-06-16T13:29:01.000Z

I agree with Slax, the houses actually are rather bad compared to the newer buildings. For example, why are the bedrooms generally like 20 meters long and then have this tiny, single tile bed?

Garages would be a great addition, even if they’re empty of vehicles more often than not.

100Rads · 2013-06-16T13:51:42.000Z

And also, only one bedroom in every single house? That doesnt make much sense. Maybe two or even three bedrooms per house.

Stevensonz · 2013-06-16T13:54:47.000Z

Big yes to upgrading vanilla building. Home garages would be a potential source of basic tools as well.

acidia · 2013-06-17T01:21:29.000Z

I agree that it sounds great but I also don’t want to steal the incentive for the kickstarter since one of the rewards was getting your house added to the game. Fear not though, sooner or later houses will be redone. One story is a bit limited for housing but it wouldn’t be hard at all to make a dozen different floor plans for single levels. I also have two of the “under construction” house floor plans that need to get put in a pull request at some point.

In other news, about five minutes ago I completed my first quest to round up local orphans and drop them off at the farm that I helped an altruistic individual secure. Earlier today I finally got the NPC spawn code for missions working and managed to get the new mission goal ‘recruit X person’ down. I was thinking… the only difference between working for a slaver and an orphanage is the dialogue at the moment … After a little bit more polish the orphan quest will be sent up in a pull request.

Yesterday the quests to the prison basement and a new cult site were added along with a few new enemies. As soon as I get out of basic mission goals I’ll be back to making lots of pretty structures. Works going to consume most of my free time for the next two weeks so don’t expect much excepts on the weekends.

Nickboom · 2013-06-23T21:37:44.000Z

Hey I hope you dont mind but I want to suggest that you could create a building similar to a Cabella’s that is fairly big and makes a decent base (I was thinking a 3x3 but i think a 2x2 might do it) See https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/1674 for more info on what the idea is about. Thanks anyways if you cant do it.