[quote=“IcedPee, post:20, topic:13013”]On a gameplay note:
In nearly every other recipe that requires duct tape for use as a grip, strings, thread, or rags are allowed as acceptable substitutes instead. I’m not sure what it is about the screwdriver that specifically necessitates duct tape, but it’s a pretty jarring example of internal inconsistency in early-game crafting recipes. If for no other reason, the recipe should probably be changed just because of this.[/quote]
More reasons to chalk it up as an consistency problem.
Made a mod to create a slightly bulkier “survivor screwdriver” using the same materials for a handle as a makeshift knife. Otherwise works the same as a regular screwdriver. You can find it in the mods subforum. Tested and working on my machine, let me know if there are any problems.
One note, for a screwdriver in particular, tape is the “easy mode” way to make a handle, making a handle that supports application of torque with cloth and string is pretty tricky, perhaps requiring an extra point if the relevant skill.
One note, for a screwdriver in particular, tape is the "easy mode" way to make a handle, making a handle that supports application of torque with cloth and string is pretty tricky, perhaps requiring an extra point if the relevant skill.
Yeah i can see that working, but what skill should affect it ?
[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:23, topic:13013”]One note, for a screwdriver in particular, tape is the “easy mode” way to make a handle, making a handle that supports application of torque with cloth and string is pretty tricky, perhaps requiring an extra point if the relevant skill.[/quote]Wouldn’t duct tape suffer from the exact same problem as cloth?
You’d have more luck bending the handle, making a T screwdriver as it were, you can add a handle to that so it’s kinder on your hand or if your base material has potential sharp edges you want to avoid, but torque is no longer a concern. The result is actually a bit more rugged than using a plastic/wood handle on a straight screwdriver.
Still, making the head right requires a bit more work than making, say, a makeshift hammer or shovel, not sure if that should be crafting time or fabrication skill requirement tho.
It’s not really about the spawn rates for tools, or how that effects gameplay and construction.
It’s about the fact that the screwdriver recipe takes duct tape, which is not hard to find.
However this recipe does not fit the typical scheme of improvised stuff, and spits out a standard tool.
Just a bit of an odd one out, in terms of player made tools.
A (possibly) better solution to the issue might involve increasing the complexity level of tools. For instance, I have no less than 12 different screwdrivers in my tool box at work. Flatheads, fine flatheads, large flatheads, fine, large, and square center phillips, and torx. I also have a bit driver kit with about 40 different options to choose from for my electric tools.
Creating a makeshift screwdriver, say one capable of disassembling basic furniture with nothing but the simplest of screws without nuts or any serious torque applied to them, should probably not require much in the way of complex materials. Heck, I could probably go cobble one together out of junk in my garage in about 15 minutes. Would it be very good? Of course not.
Creating a screwdriver actually useful for crafting? That’d be a bit trickier.
So why not have a third level of screw driving quality. Simply increase crafting requirements by one level, leave construction at level one, and have the following:
Makeshift screwdriver: Screw driving quality one. Requires scrap metal (1) AND rag (2) OR short string (2) OR long string (1) AND Tool with Hammering quality 1
Screwdriver: Quality two. Keep recipe the same
Screwdriver set: Quality three
That should help prevent breaking intended balance and still allow for early game deconstruction.
Guys I got a real question here, what balance does a screwdriver break? Early game you will mostly break stuff to get components and in late game when it becomes really useful you already have it most of the time.
Knife screwdriving quality 1? I don’t know if it has it, or if there is even an screwdriving ability, but just throwing it there. Sadly I don’t know much about this, never really used the screwdriver much in the game.
And for the most basic things, in real life, I usually just use a knife instead of an screwdriver. For basic things, as I said.
[quote=“StopSignal, post:29, topic:13013”]Guys I got a real question here, what balance does a screwdriver break? Early game you will mostly break stuff to get components and in late game when it becomes really useful you already have it most of the time.
Knife screwdriving quality 1? I don’t know if it has it, or if there is even an screwdriving ability, but just throwing it there. Sadly I don’t know much about this, never really used the screwdriver much in the game.
And for the most basic things, in real life, I usually just use a knife instead of an screwdriver. For basic things, as I said.[/quote]
Hell, coins would work. Or any metallic object with a flat edge.
Omg, I can’t believe all that hype about screwdriver. As if the game had no other problems to mend.
I don’t support any changes to recipe or quality of screwdriving. I had numerous cases when starting in the middle of a city I had working vehicle around and couldn’t use it because there was nothing to hotwire it with. That is a good example where intended balance will be broken just because you can use your coin, nail whatever to unscrew couple of freaking loose screws in real life. Fingernails anyone?
Recipe is fine. Go whack zombie heads in and hope for a screwdriver. Don’t want to whack zombie heads? Don’t want to? I’ve got some bad news for ya… This is Cata and you’re dead.
Hell, if we change it here, edit it there, tomorrow someone will start complaining about makeshift welder is not realistic or floodlight recipe is trash. Why don’t we let development team do major stuff first, this is not even a bug, I cannot finish half of quests in the game or change armor on my NPCs. Screw your screwing screwdriver, man!!
Omg, I can't believe all that hype about screwdriver. As if the game had no other problems to mend.
I don’t support any changes to recipe or quality of screwdriving. I had numerous cases when starting in the middle of a city I had working vehicle around and couldn’t use it because there was nothing to hotwire it with. That is a good example where intended balance will be broken just because you can use your coin, nail whatever to unscrew couple of freaking loose screws in real life. Fingernails anyone?
Yeah because changing a few lines in the game code is so hard…
I dont see why you are so against it, nobody is losing nothing, the game will still be the same but we will be able to make a screwdriver that dont use duct tape. Again with this fu****g balance bullshit, cant you guys scream something else!.
Recipe is fine. Go whack zombie heads in and hope for a screwdriver. Don't want to whack zombie heads? Don't want to? I've got some bad news for ya... This is Cata and you're dead.
You don’t want a screwdriver that doesn’t use duct tape ? Dont want ?
Well too bad for you.
Hell, if we change it here, edit it there, tomorrow someone will start complaining about makeshift welder is not realistic or floodlight recipe is trash. Why don't we let development team do major stuff first, this is not even a bug, I cannot finish half of quests in the game or change armor on my NPCs.
Nobody is stoping the devs from working on the game, did you saw a slowdown on their work since i posted this thread ?.
Points up thread to where I made a mod so we can have a screwdriver without duct tape. People who want an easy to make screwdriver can use the mod, people who think it destroys balance for mysterious unexplained reasons can choose to not use the mod. So why are we still fighting over duct tape screwdrivers?