PK's Rebalancing Mod

Logrin · 2016-05-01T23:34:41.000Z

Would certainly deter a ‘run them over and let god sort em’ out’ approach to clearing cities.

BorkBorkGoesTheCode · 2016-05-02T16:50:24.000Z

What's Happening in YOUR Randomly-generated Apocalypse?

Actually, I was wondering if people woud appreciate a ‘cloth wall’ or ‘tarp wall’ construction that breaks los.

Hello, pisskop. I would appreciate these. Are you planning to add them?

pisskop · 2016-05-02T17:32:46.000Z

I could try. Im thinking a couple of pipes/2x4s/sticks and a cloth. And then something to keep the cloth even with the ground. Like rocks or nails or, well, a bunch of scrap metal. We dont have tarp proper in the game, but a really, really flimsy cloth wall to break basic los would be doable, if not downright op.

If weather or degradation over time was a thing thatd be neat to enforce maintainance or make them less op. Im a big fan of strong items (power armor, cars, etc) requiring upkeep in the form of time/resources.

pisskop · 2016-05-02T17:35:09.000Z

AFA Landmine zombies. Im a little hesitant to try due to balance and lore reasons, but theyd be neat. I suspect that a digging monster that would kamikaze would be a decent enough deterrant. Issue is, I have those already in the game.
And they arent complete invisible.

{
“type” : “MONSTER”,
“id” : “mon_minecraft”,
“name”: “hissing brood”,
“species”:“PLANT”,
“default_faction”:“triffid”,
“symbol”:“h”,
“color”:“i_yellow”,
“size”:“MEDIUM”,
“material”:“veggy”,
“diff”:15,
“aggression”:5,
“morale”:100,
“speed”:70,
“melee_skill”:4,
“melee_dice”:1,
“melee_dice_sides”:10,
“melee_cut”:5,
“dodge”:3,
“armor_bash”:8,
“armor_cut”:4,
“armor_fire”:4,
“hp”:40,
“special_attacks”:[[“VINE”, 5], [“KAMIKAZE”, 0], [“RATTLE”, 3]],
“starting_ammo”: { “grenade”: 1, “flashbang”: 1},
“death_function”:[“EXPLODE”, “ACID”, “SMOKEBURST”],
“description”:“a dried up shrub with rustling brown leaves adept at ambushes. Highly volatile and easily excited.”,
“flags”:[“SEES”, “HEARS”, “GOODHEARING”, “CAN_DIG”, “ANIMAL”, “SWIMS”, “NOHEAD”, “BASHES”],
“anger_triggers”:[“SOUND”, “PLAYER_WEAK”],
}

TheFlame52 · 2016-05-02T20:12:07.000Z

mon_minecraft

U MOT M8 HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS

pisskop · 2016-05-02T23:13:27.000Z

I have 3 of them

A stronger version with EMP popping and a fungal version.

pedit: I will make them a smidgen more common since you havent seen them. I learned that the swim tag reduces movement speed, and since it can dig through the earth you wouldnt see them unless they attacked you.

pisskop · 2016-05-02T23:15:10.000Z

github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA

[CR]Zombie corpses transforming due to burns

by Coolthulhu on 01:17AM - 01 May 16

1 commits changed 10 files with 204 additions and 48 deletions.

^^

This is a link to coolthulu wanting a burn attribuite added. This removes and revive tag (idk how yet) and makes them into a corpse (corpse defined as burns_into: “xxx”) of whatever you specify, which will presumably revive eventually. Im thinking a flamed up zombie that is charred might turn into a volitile mix?

pisskop · 2016-05-05T17:28:28.000Z

Heads up. Coolthulu’s change, adding a burns-into tag and a scorched zman, is in

"burn_into" : "mon_zombie_scorched",
{
    "type" : "MONSTER",
    "id" : "mon_zombie_scorched",
    "name": "scorched zombie",
    "species":"ZOMBIE",
    "default_faction":"zombie",
    "symbol":"Z",
    "color":"brown",
    "size":"MEDIUM",
    "material":"flesh",
    "diff":1,
    "aggression":100,
    "morale":100,
    "speed":60,
    "melee_skill":2,
    "melee_dice":2,
    "melee_dice_sides":2,
    "melee_cut":0,
    "dodge":0,
    "armor_bash":2,
    "armor_cut":9,
    "armor_fire":10,
    "armor_acid":3,
    "vision_day":10,
    "vision_night":5,
    "upgrades":{
        "into_group": "GROUP_ZOMBIE_UPGRADE",
        "half_life": 28
    },
    "hp":40,
    "death_function":["SMOKEBURST", "NORMAL"],
    "special_attacks":[["GRAB", 7]],
    "description":"Heavily burned zombie that still reeks of charred flesh.  Its flesh has mended into a leathery shell.",
    "flags":["SEES", "HEARS", "STUMBLES", "POISON", "BLEED", "NO_BREATHE", "REVIVES", "REVIVES_HEALTHY", "NO_NECRO", "BONES"]
}</blockquote>
In it is 3 things I see. Well 3 major things.

-Burns into, creates a new monster type from the old one. I could, for some illogical reason make a zombie turn into a triffid, if I burned its corpse.
I dont know if that affects its faction, but I am currently erring on the side of ‘no, it stays its original faction’. Will test
-Scorched zombies evolve into normal zombies. Effectively they heal.
-No_necro is a new tag, or new to me. And revive _healthy too

With this I could effectively create new critters, or make a fire death that makes new critters. Gotta think on it.

pisskop · 2016-05-05T21:00:46.000Z

github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA

Add variable type melee attack damage

by Coolthulhu on 11:46PM - 01 Feb 16

changed 15 files with 45 additions and 27 deletions.

O.O ahah

erm to expland.

That there is a variable that can be added to melee damage that turns it into whatever type I please. Im not sure the extent of its values, but it is confirmed to work for acid, and likely for lightning and other enviornmental types. And I could probs get it to take bashing, cutting, and stabbing damage too.

DT_NULL = 0, // null damage, doesn't exist
DT_TRUE, // typeless damage, should always go through
DT_BIOLOGICAL, // internal damage, like from smoke or poison
DT_BASH, // bash damage
DT_CUT, // cut damage
DT_ACID, // corrosive damage, e.g. acid
DT_STAB, // stabbing/piercing damage
DT_HEAT, // e.g. fire, plasma
DT_COLD, // e.g. heatdrain, cryogrenades
DT_ELECTRIC, // e.g. electrical discharge

So I has some work to do.

pisskop · 2016-05-05T22:36:31.000Z

So, right now Im modding the burnt fiend and scorched Z into stronger versions for the higher tier cirtters.  They [i]may[/i] at some point evolve into a group of various abominations, I dislike the idea that they can heal.  Not from a lore point, it makes a bit of sense since the blobs are fleshsculptures.  But I dislike the idea because I want the blob to act more like evolution.  They dont make new things, they adapt the stuff already present.

I have been wondering what to do with the crawler zombies. I had them as acidic ones, but they did suck a bit. I have them now as a sludge with treaces of acid and kind of changing into more shoggoth-y behaviors, and I may continue that.
One option I have is to make all the burnt ones turning to blobs or things that make blobs instead of being combat oriented things. I considered making an immobile ‘blob generator’ thing but I turned it down for several reasons, such as multiple corpses being on the same tile and whatnot.

The melee damage type is new to me. Idk what to do with it yet. I have to test what types it can deliver. Should be easy enough to make a 1d1 monster with 20 lightning damage and see. I can selectively use the acid, and maybe the lightning. I hope there is stab damage, and will add that to several things.

Stab damage by default seems to average the bashing and cutting protection of armor and use that value. So its a moderating influence. Ive made a ‘charred corpse’ monster that will be the bottom of the barrel for burned humanoid zombie monsters. It lack the revive tag, so should only exist to be a named corpse.

So, changes.

Scorched zombies are slightly buffed.
Scorched zombies upgrade into a stronger version with small amounts of enviornmental attack
Scorched zombies degrade into crawlers who in turn degrade into nothing
Necros and master degrade

‘Mines’ are an issue as hordes happen.

Chaser dogs turn into hellhounds (an upgrade for them. A nasty, nasty upgrade)
Skelington dogs will also degrade.
We’ll have to put thought into zombie animal upgrades and burnings.

teapot156 · 2016-05-05T23:05:19.000Z

Really liking the added difficulty. I wish the tileset would attach a default tile for your new creatures but that’s not your problem. Quick question: Should I use the version in the OP or is the one packaged with experimental the latest or one in the same.

pisskop · 2016-05-05T23:19:24.000Z

The OP version is complete. The one in the experimentals is not complete. I have to add it in piecemeal. Fungus are being added right now, but it needs tobe talked and reviewed and et al.

teapot156 · 2016-05-05T23:35:43.000Z

Thanks. I’m sure you’ll be happy to know that your Triffid creatures brutally murdered a pretty decked-out survivor. (I’m still pretty new to the game) Driving my car. A lot of weirdos in the road I have to swerve around. A creature shot some sort of sap into my eyes which blinded me. This caused me to crash into an oak. I wiped my face with a towel under the seat and opened up with the .50cal into the gathering crowd bogging down my little inline-4. This big bitch started sprouting trees through the floor which ripped the hull to shreds. I bail and get grabbed by god-knows-what, some sea of green vines. I’m just hacking and slashing but there’s so much crazy shit coming out of the woodwork. Even with a teleporter and flashbang module it’s just not enough.

Oh well, every death is a lesson. I could of just turned around.

HurricaneJoe · 2016-05-06T00:32:41.000Z

HAH. Woodwork. (Feel free to delete this at a later time, but that needed to be done.)

123nick · 2016-05-06T05:21:30.000Z

hey u know the combined monsters override by malkeus? well, i. cant figure out how too edit it too be compatible with this mod and noctifers cataclysm++ mod, or if it has been updated, so it may be completely unusable if thats the case, and a new one may have too be made, maybe? maybe u can make a version compatible with cataclysm++ , if it isnt too much too ask.

pisskop · 2016-05-06T14:00:17.000Z

Aye aye sir.

This is the current version of my mod and Noct’s
Download this .json file and go to:

[game]\data\mods\pk_rebalance

In there,. delete the file with the same name and slip this one in.

Then play. This is only a compatibility patch with just the two mods though. Each mods that adds critters needs to be custom-added.

In my own news, Ive made a few more scorched humanoids, and nerfed zombie armor. I dont mind them getting armor, but the standard grunt elite zombie had 12 armor. I nerfed this to 8. Not a huge drop, but it should help with things like wolves nd whatnot killing it. And it should also be easier to beat it to death with your weapon of choice.
Conversely, brutes got buffed.

123nick · 2016-05-07T08:28:01.000Z

oh wow, thanks very much!

oh and 1 more question, this works with noctifiers cataclysm++ mod, with bioweapons and what not? just making sure, because at one point noctifer had seperate survivor and bio-weapon mods.

pisskop · 2016-05-11T00:53:12.000Z

Had an urge to play Rome Total War reently, so Ive been playing a long campaign with a mod that makes the game take even longer by introducing more cities and provinences and by introducing silly things like ‘more realistic damage/units/weapons’

I still want to do something with Zanimals and hammer out a rough outline for mutating wildlife, so bear with me.
I talked with some people and the concensus is that large wildlife would (mostly) die off, and those that didn’t would either get small, so as to avoid the zombie’s ire, grow large and ferocious, and likely prey on zombie flesh (its not actually ‘rotten’, its merely poisoned by huge quanities of blob, bob ecretion, and et al), by growing armor, or by learning how to effectively cut off zombie reviving.

Logrin · 2016-05-11T09:44:25.000Z

Sounds like a normal moose…

pisskop · 2016-05-11T18:43:37.000Z

Well . . .

Just straight up buttwhooping isnt enough to secure your future if you are a wild animal.

You gotta sleep, eat, mate, raise babies. So those are all strong impetuses to not be a wrecking ball and charge into zombies. Larger critters need more food, as do active ones.

Fighting is an excercise unto itself.

So, I do want to keep that stuff to a minimal. And I do want to also make a world where it is still possible to hunt for food.

Ive done the zombies’ burnt forms enough. Dogs, bear, moose, cougars, et al all have something they can turn into when they get charred. Most will bottom out if you burn them with enough fervor, turning into inert corpses. Some have more stages than others, and none of them can actually heal from their charredness. The flesh is broken, not maleable.
Ive also made some forms more potent than others and added a few ‘huehuehue’ monsters for those moments. I may have made some primary flame targets get somehow stronger in fire :idk:

Ive been nerfing some of the zombies to keep in line with interfighting. I want the factions to have actual warfare, and when, by virtue of being alive and present, you can tank 85% of what a faction can offer it gets lame and I dont quite like it.

Of course, some monsters are just that; monsters. They are beasts, savage and elite.

And I made zombie horses. They will murder you. Like, a lot.

When I finish up the rebalancing of the older monsters I think I want to release a new version. perhaps the last one hosted on a 3rd party site instead of being in the core game. Im literally like 2-4 PRs out from being completly integrated.