New FUN trait: Careless

Slax · 2013-06-14T22:22:20.000Z

Gives 2 (maybe 3?) points, removes “Would you really like to…? Y/N” movement prompts.
Oh boy!

Verdigriss · 2013-06-14T22:56:05.000Z

Might be a good idea. You should probably also lose the option to use safe mode.

DWC · 2013-06-14T23:13:36.000Z

I like this idea, I think being really drunk or high should replicate that effect too.

ted · 2013-06-14T23:29:31.000Z

This is a terrible idea. The game shouldn’t reward you for using an inferior interface.

detahramet · 2013-06-15T01:02:33.000Z

Why’s that?
Its a negative trait that would make the game more difficult, and thus gives you Creation Points to balance this out.

Slax · 2013-06-15T01:31:49.000Z

Think of it as Hardcore Light. Or OCD Premium.

ted · 2013-06-15T01:34:05.000Z

The bar for a trait needs to be higher than just giving you some points and making the game harder. A good trait should make the game more fun by bringing different strategies to the forefront, and should have an benefit roughly proportionate with the points cost; this trait gives you points without impacting your strategy at all, as long as you’re able to play marginally more carefully around traps.

Would anyone want to lose movement warnings if they didn’t get points for doing so?

Slax · 2013-06-15T01:37:14.000Z

ted:

Would anyone want to lose movement warnings if they didn’t get points for doing so?

It’d be a choice, just like Hardcore.

ted · 2013-06-15T01:56:08.000Z

It’s not actually like Hardcore, because hardcore has at least some novelty value in making a bunch of normally survivable things deadly, and forcing you to adopt super-cautious strategies that avoid damage at all costs. Careless just demands that you issue movement commands more deliberately around traps. Your actual strategy is not affected one iota.

If I believed some players actually preferred the lack of movement warnings, I would support adding it as an option in the options menu. If you truly want to play without movement warnings, shouldn’t that be enough?

DWC · 2013-06-15T02:06:37.000Z

Traps, fire, moving vehicles. Plenty of room for mishaps by removing the y/n prompt and it replicates somebody silly enough to step in their campfire or jump out of a moving vehicle, since players would do this all the time without the prompt.

It’d definitely be worth a point or two to have the prompts if they were disabled by default.

ted · 2013-06-15T02:30:56.000Z

[quote=“DWC, post:10, topic:1771”]Traps, fire, moving vehicles. Plenty of room for mishaps by removing the y/n prompt and it replicates somebody silly enough to step in their campfire or jump out of a moving vehicle, since players would do this all the time without the prompt.

It’d definitely be worth a point or two to have the prompts if they were disabled by default.[/quote]

Players aren’t that stupid; they can condition themselves to avoid these mishaps pretty well if necessary. But it should not be necessary; the computer does it perfectly. The trait gives the player the choice between mechanical efficiency and interface hassles, which should never be done.

KA101 · 2013-06-15T02:32:52.000Z

[quote=“DWC, post:10, topic:1771”]Traps, fire, moving vehicles. Plenty of room for mishaps by removing the y/n prompt and it replicates somebody silly enough to step in their campfire or jump out of a moving vehicle, since players would do this all the time without the prompt.

It’d definitely be worth a point or two to have the prompts if they were disabled by default.[/quote]

Currently, Cata’s a fairly decent roguelike by my standards: it doesn’t get all jagoff-y about letting the player do things they wouldn’t want to do, via interface mishaps. I’d hate to lose that, so this trait and especially this idea (having it be the default) worries me.

Re silly/conditioning: player fatigue, distraction, etc can also apply. Not everyone has the ability to play Cata under idea conditions.

AerialK7 · 2013-06-15T02:36:04.000Z

[quote=“KA101, post:12, topic:1771”][quote=“DWC, post:10, topic:1771”]Traps, fire, moving vehicles. Plenty of room for mishaps by removing the y/n prompt and it replicates somebody silly enough to step in their campfire or jump out of a moving vehicle, since players would do this all the time without the prompt.

It’d definitely be worth a point or two to have the prompts if they were disabled by default.[/quote]

Currently, Cata’s a fairly decent roguelike by my standards: it doesn’t get all jagoff-y about letting the player do things they wouldn’t want to do, via interface mishaps. I’d hate to lose that, so this trait and especially this idea (having it be the default) worries me.

Re silly/conditioning: player fatigue, distraction, etc can also apply. Not everyone has the ability to play Cata under idea conditions.[/quote]

Hey, you’re the one that SAID you wanted to eat that active mininuke!

KA101 · 2013-06-15T02:45:54.000Z

[quote=“AerialK7, post:13, topic:1771”][quote=“KA101, post:12, topic:1771”][quote=“DWC, post:10, topic:1771”]Traps, fire, moving vehicles. Plenty of room for mishaps by removing the y/n prompt and it replicates somebody silly enough to step in their campfire or jump out of a moving vehicle, since players would do this all the time without the prompt.

It’d definitely be worth a point or two to have the prompts if they were disabled by default.[/quote]

Currently, Cata’s a fairly decent roguelike by my standards: it doesn’t get all jagoff-y about letting the player do things they wouldn’t want to do, via interface mishaps. I’d hate to lose that, so this trait and especially this idea (having it be the default) worries me.

Re silly/conditioning: player fatigue, distraction, etc can also apply. Not everyone has the ability to play Cata under idea conditions.[/quote]

Hey, you’re the one that SAID you wanted to eat that active mininuke![/quote]

Uh…my post was saying that sometimes people hit the wrong key, so they didn’t actually want to eat the nuke.

Misfingering should not kill characters, and the “HA HA you hit one wrong button SO DIE AND LOSE ALL THE TIME YOU INVESTED” aspect of roguelikes is a failing, not a feature, IMO.

system · 2013-06-15T03:24:57.000Z

I see this going horrible wrong if sounds are about and you are reading.

That or it starts raining while you weld and you emo yourself to death.

Or eat that mininuke (active)

Slax · 2013-06-15T03:43:07.000Z

Note that this would cover movement prompts ONLY. Stumbling into dissectors and such.

ted · 2013-06-15T04:03:12.000Z

That’s a shame, because being unable to do activities safely in dangerous environments would actually affect strategy, even if it might be a silly trait if implemented that simply.

system · 2013-06-15T04:04:22.000Z

I think eating items should damage the player, based on material.

Otaku · 2013-06-15T05:49:31.000Z

Slax:

Note that this would cover movement prompts ONLY. Stumbling into dissectors and such.

But what about “(” (I forgot the name of that action, dissasemble?) that also requires a Y/N prompt, would that also be taken away?

gtaguy:

I think eating items should damage the player, based on material.

Also, completely irrelevant.

Slax · 2013-06-15T06:04:59.000Z

Otaku:

[quote=“Slax, post:16, topic:1771”]Note that this would cover movement prompts ONLY. Stumbling into dissectors and such.

But what about “(” (I forgot the name of that action, dissasemble?) that also requires a Y/N prompt, would that also be taken away?[/quote]
Up for discussion. I say no though.