Automated Facility Ideas

[Hague]

I was raiding a gas station earlier and I thought, “Vending machines are notoriously unreliable as a way to spend all the cash card money I have.” It made me dream up some ideas for some more types of automated facilities that, through design, are are undesirable to vandalize by the player. We need to add more still-functioning-to-destroyed automated booths and facilities into the world gen. Here’s what I came up with:

Automated Body Mod shop. Essentially an automated kiosk that will install any non-black market (by pre-Cataclysm standards) CBM in the player. The way it operates is the player must move into the exam table next to console. Activating the console would require you to use a cash card. A scanning device would read what CBMs you had in your inventory. If you have any “black market” CBMs the table tries to grapple you (you can dodge), sedate you (inject you continuously with depressants), and summons some police robots. An enterprising computer hacker can attempt to alter the device to bypass the legal black out. Otherwise you can select the CBM you’d like to have installed, the price of the installation is based on the mod’s price. The mod is removed from the player’s inventory. The player loses consciousness, and wakes up with the normal results of a surgery, perhaps in more pain, likely as a result of poor manners on the part of the machine. Better check out the device first, if you don’t check if it’s functional, something could go terribly wrong >:D

Suicide booths. The future is a depressing place and easy removal and legal reconciliation for suicide are just a step away. Sure, society would’ve preferred you decided to get yourself killed in a Combat Biker: Pros vs. Joes match, but you just need to die now and let your family collect the money from your tissue sales. “For a mere $100 fee, you can die in soothing comfort in one of our LifeCare® suicide kiosks! Just insert your We’ll make sure you get your legal paperwork tidy while soothing music takes you away from all your cares. Your death will be relatively pain-free and your body quickly vivisected and held in our kiosks internal cold-storage for pickup and immediate sale while your designated beneficiary receives a generous credit and exclusive membership our LifeCare® Premium Member’s Club. All LifeCare® suicide booths come equipped with double doors and seating arrangements so when YOU decide the end comes, you and a loved one can go together, in Peace! You can also choose to donate all or a portion of your tissue sales to a charity of your choice.” While, maybe you don’t want to actually kill yourself, but the Suicide booth can be used to trick lure enemies into a rather gruesome trap. The suicide kiosk requires you to pay to open it and has sturdy metal doors on both sides that close when it detects either 1 human-sized target (or two if in Couple-mode) before closing the kiosk doors. Once the booth activates it pumps a narcotic gas and then electrocutes the targets to death. The targets are moved into an adjacent area of the kiosk and essentially butchered with perfect precision. Normally this only works with human sized things, but it can be hacked to kill pretty much anything by a computer user (the computer already has the instructions for vivisecting anything, it’s just dummied out by token rights legislation, lol) The adjacent area is locked, but can be broken into to acquire the butchered parts. The cold-storage no longer functions. Turns out LifeCare didn’t put much into their refrigeration systems.

Automated Coffin motel. Essentially a capsule you can slot a cash card on and pay for an 8 hour stay. It has an internal Continental Breakfast dispenser (which is at this point, a disposable cup of cold coffee, a hardtack biscuit, and potentially rotten fruit) from an internal store (meaning you can steal it and it can simply run out) and access to a decent music library for it’s internal speakers (morale boost for duration). A coffin motel would house several of these small capsules designed for businessmen and travelers few better options. The less-reputable of these motels were just as popular among businessmen and travelers. It just turns out having a sound-insulated and climate-controlled box was just as good for casual sex as it is for hiding from hordes of undead in an unending nightmare. If you overstay your welcome, the capsule will forcefully eject you. Vandalizing them summons cop bots. but allows you to steal the blankets, bedding, electronics and the Continental breakfast stash (the coffee probably spills unless you disassemble it)

[Arek_PL]

i do not know who will want to use suicide kiosk and luring enemy into one will be hard but body shop is good idea
maybe do something like that too but kitchen what can cook some food for components and money

[FunsizeNinja123]

I… Don’t really like the suicide booth nor the coffin house thing.

[Hague]

Well, you can always vandalize the suicide booth to get it’s anesthesia tank tank, capacitors and laser scalpel components. It’s more a thematic thing than anything. I’m imagining a world where right-wingers have turned the US into a Free Market super club, whereby the wealthy have it easy and live mostly on the backs of the poor. It seems debtor’s prison and suicide-for-tissue-sale would be popular things in the pre-cataclysm world. Coffin hotels and the like already a thing in Japan, where space is at a premium. Presumably the coffin hotels would only show up in maps that have large cities. You shouldn’t find one at a truck stop or tiny wilderness town.

I always sorta liked the idea that you could get tased and sedated by police enforcer robots. You then black out and get placed in a cell in the nearest police station sans weapons, armor and tools (except cash cards). You can then “bail” yourself out with an armored terminal in the room. If you were to fall asleep in the middle of the street or sidewalk and there’s a chance police robots would arrest you for vagrancy.

Also probably forgot the presence of automated sex-booths in the future. Go in, pay a hefty fee, walk out with a morale boost. Maybe have some fun adjustable settings for masochists so you can hurt yourself during the session. Vandalize it and you get lots of oscillating motors and “rubber hose” Hee.

[KA101]

[quote=“Hague, post:4, topic:6567”]Well, you can always vandalize the suicide booth to get it’s anesthesia tank tank, capacitors and laser scalpel components. It’s more a thematic thing than anything. I’m imagining a world where right-wingers have turned the US into a Free Market super club, whereby the wealthy have it easy and live mostly on the backs of the poor. It seems debtor’s prison and suicide-for-tissue-sale would be popular things in the pre-cataclysm world. Coffin hotels and the like already a thing in Japan, where space is at a premium. Presumably the coffin hotels would only show up in maps that have large cities. You shouldn’t find one at a truck stop or tiny wilderness town.

I always sorta liked the idea that you could get tased and sedated by police enforcer robots. You then black out and get placed in a cell in the nearest police station sans weapons, armor and tools (except cash cards). You can then “bail” yourself out with an armored terminal in the room. If you were to fall asleep in the middle of the street or sidewalk and there’s a chance police robots would arrest you for vagrancy.

Also probably forgot the presence of automated sex-booths in the future. Go in, pay a hefty fee, walk out with a morale boost. Maybe have some fun adjustable settings for masochists so you can hurt yourself during the session. Vandalize it and you get lots of oscillating motors and “rubber hose” Hee.[/quote]

Coffin motel is a real thing, yeah. Copbots should be able to take people into custody too. I’m not sold on the suicide booth, but that’s not a flat-out No at this time.

The distinction between the vibrator and the sexbooth is that the vibrator need not be used sexually. (The sexbooth isn’t that far removed from the CoC factory, and DDA isn’t a porn game.) I’m thinking the sexbooth probably won’t make it.

[Arek_PL]

well sex botch is not good idea but mechanical massager is nice idea will give morale bonus and if machine is damaged it can do pain and if is realy damaged it can do more pain or damage to torso and even broken arms

[Hague]

Fallout 2 wasn’t a porn game either and it’s acclaimed in its genre. In that game you could have sex with: women, men, ghouls, deathclaws, dogs, and robots. With the right stats, you could even become a porn star yourself. None of the decisions were ever forced on the player but the existence of these things added to the environment. If you went to New Reno and there were no brothels or hookers, you’d definitely lose immersion. The presence of adult subject matter is easy enough to cover without being graphic. You had sex in Fallout but it was just the screen fading out to pass time and maybe a funny bit of dialogue or a message saying you strangely feel like smoking a cigarette. Though, I do recall if you made sure to get as much sex as you could, you’d get the Gigolo reputation trait and your character’s idle animation is them constantly scratching their crotch. Classy!

That said, I suspect if icky human sex stuff gets in the way of the hardcore ultra-violence, someone could always make an adult-based mod to the game instead. A liquor store with no porno rags seems a bit suspect, YMMV.

Back on topic:

Seems like vending machines should have a self-defense mechanism to prevent them from being tampered with, perhaps a defensive melee shock like the shocker zombies have? You can use a gun to destroy it, but if you bash it with your hands or a metal melee weapon you’ll get gassed or zapped? Sure, it summons cop bots, but I think a passive defense in addition would make them a bit more secure. At least you’d have to be a smarter ape about it.

Also, on that note, what powers the vending machines? If it’s an atomic-powered thing, you’d think vandalizing it would be a source of radiation.

[KA101]

[quote=“Hague, post:7, topic:6567”]Fallout 2 wasn’t a porn game either and it’s acclaimed in its genre. In that game you could have sex with: women, men, ghouls, deathclaws, dogs, and robots. With the right stats, you could even become a porn star yourself. None of the decisions were ever forced on the player but the existence of these things added to the environment. If you went to New Reno and there were no brothels or hookers, you’d definitely lose immersion. The presence of adult subject matter is easy enough to cover without being graphic. You had sex in Fallout but it was just the screen fading out to pass time and maybe a funny bit of dialogue or a message saying you strangely feel like smoking a cigarette. Though, I do recall if you made sure to get as much sex as you could, you’d get the Gigolo reputation trait and your character’s idle animation is them constantly scratching their crotch. Classy!

That said, I suspect if icky human sex stuff gets in the way of the hardcore ultra-violence, someone could always make an adult-based mod to the game instead. A liquor store with no porno rags seems a bit suspect, YMMV.

Back on topic:

Seems like vending machines should have a self-defense mechanism to prevent them from being tampered with, perhaps a defensive melee shock like the shocker zombies have? You can use a gun to destroy it, but if you bash it with your hands or a metal melee weapon you’ll get gassed or zapped? Sure, it summons cop bots, but I think a passive defense in addition would make them a bit more secure. At least you’d have to be a smarter ape about it.

Also, on that note, what powers the vending machines? If it’s an atomic-powered thing, you’d think vandalizing it would be a source of radiation.[/quote]

I’m familiar with FO2. Surprisingly little for female PCs in it, though, and the only female (non-PC) party member I know of was a “penalty” NPC.
Specifically, Mria the rancher’s daughter: negligible skills/stats, no prospects for advancement, took up an NPC slot, and could not be disbanded short of death/sale. To the best of my knowledge, the only content available for the spouse NPCs was pimping them, forcing them to work as fluffers, divorcing them, or selling them into slavery.

So perhaps FO2 is not the best example.

I’ve very little problem with icky human sex stuff. The two porn games I’ve had the quasi-pleasure of seeing both go right through consent-bypassing and into rape, though. Rather a lot of the RP stuff that went on in the CDDA-uncut IRC channel was heading that way, last I was in there. I do have a problem with rape.

So that’s one reason I get twitchy.

When I added the vibrator, there was a fairly major pile-up of folks who found it Icky Ew NoNoNoNOOOO. I’m not sure whether they objected to the idea of sex after the Cataclysm, a vibrator as somehow non-masculine, or just found that sexuality got in the way of their ultra-violence. But that’s Twitch factor the second.

I’m not particularly eager to find a third.

[hr]

Yeah, I wouldn’t mind vending machines being able to defend themselves.

[Hague]

Yeah, Mria is your shotgun wife if you sleep with her in Modoc. That entire section was pretty much a vehicle for digs at rednecks and a Goonies 2 reference. If you played a female PC you could sell your husband out the same way. The appreciable quality of moral choice being present sets the theme better. I recall you could kill children in FO2, but if you did, basically everyone hated you, even the bad guys Since CDDA is a single-player game, there’s really nothing preventing players from acting as maliciously violent as they want. I don’t see any need to code sexual violence into a game, and any developer is wise to avoiding the whole subject but Just For Fun nudie mags (of various persuasions) and the idea of a virtual reality sex booth strike me as really tame. When I foudnd the vibrator, I lol’d and used it. I just assume my character uses it as a back massager as they’re advertised in the back of women’s magazine

That said, I do think lubricant ought to be a thing you can find and require for maintenence and crafting. Now, the idea is the lubricants would have Lubrication quality, so personal lubricant you can find in bathrooms and bedrooms would be relatively low quality while, while industrial bearing grease and other oils are present in garages and factories would be higher quality. If only because I want to collect a 55 gallon drum of personal lubricant. No particular reason…

Reading the design outline, it seems like there ought to be some ammo vending machines. The gun-shops in-game are far too insecure to represent a safe place for weapons sales when weapons are as common as they are stated to be. I expect some bullet proof glass and reinforced cases with the rate of poverty and violent crime to be expected in the future depicted in the outline. The ammo is sealed in vending machines while empty weapons are on display, perhaps? Melee weapons and knives are stored in reinforced display cases and tampering with either will activate a hidden taser or bean bag turret or something? Counters and work areas inside stores and the like should probably have activated metal shutters or reinforced glass between the convenience store area and the store-rooms in the back. I feel like some areas should be a bit harder to break into, but more rewarding for those that do. It implies that widespread looting occurred but locked and fortified areas will have untouched supply caches. Maybe make the security of various store templates based on city-size. So large city maps will have secure_liquor_store instead of just liquor_store. The higher population density accounts for a higher crime rate and the resulting counter-measures being installed.

[Arek_PL]

beanbag turrets? nice idea and maybe console somewhere to shut down seciurity because computer hacker do not have much use in cataclysm for now only lab, bank and pharmancy/doctor office

[ShinQuickMan]

@OP

Automated Body Shop: Doesn’t sound too bad. Though, it might seem weird for such machines to accept CBMs that were chopped off of previous costumers; if those are part of the “black market” list, I’m not seeing a big selection of CBMs that could be installed with this machine (common lab CBMs off the top of my head)

Suicide Booth: Worn out Futurama joke. NEXT.

Coffin Hotel: Either way.

[Hague]

It’s funny that you say the suicide booth is originally a Futurama gag, since I played a game prior to that show being released that had suicide booths in it. You stepped into it, slotted your credstick and operated it, and it would “test” various weapons systems on you. I believe the writer of that particular piece of code added at least 30 unique ways you could be killed in a Gunshin suicide booth.

[Rivet]

Suicide Booth: Worn out Futurama joke. NEXT.

Wrong.

The Repairer of Reputations by Robert William Chambers, 1895:

The Governor was finishing his reply to the short speech of the Surgeon-General. I heard him say: “The laws prohibiting suicide and providing punishment for any attempt at self-destruction have been repealed. The Government has seen fit to acknowledge the right of man to end an existence which may have become intolerable to him, through physical suffering or mental despair. It is believed that the community will be benefited by the removal of such people from their midst. Since the passage of this law, the number of suicides in the United States has not increased. Now the Government has determined to establish a Lethal Chamber in every city, town and village in the country, it remains to be seen whether or not that class of human creatures from whose desponding ranks new victims of self-destruction fall daily will accept the relief thus provided.” He paused, and turned to the white Lethal Chamber. The silence in the street was absolute. “There a painless death awaits him who can no longer bear the sorrows of this life. If death is welcome let him seek it there.” Then quickly turning to the military aid of the President’s household, he said, “I declare the Lethal Chamber open,” and again facing the vast crowd he cried in a clear voice: “Citizens of New York and of the United States of America, through me the Government declares the Lethal Chamber to be open.”

[Murphy]

Suicide booths wouldn’t add to the atmosphere, they’d detract from it. I mean, yeah, that Lethal Chamber stuff really sounds dystopian, but kiosk booths like in Futurama would imply that suicide is very, very common. Perhaps as a joke like cannibal Shia.

Speaking of jokes, there still isn’t a blue police box anywhere in the game.

[detahramet]

Body Mod shops seem easily fitting, but only really in big, high-wealth regions. Hell, it seems like, considering how important these things need to be held up, like they might have a turret bulit in to protect it from vandals and a repair bot the keep it up to snuff. A very high value target, pre and post cata.

The suicide booth, while it seems like a possibility, seems a little bit frivolous. It seems interesting, but might be better off as a mod than anything else.

Coffin motels definately seem like they should be a thing, but chances are they would take up an entire building (though there would be plenty of them), and would draw from the regional power supply, unlike the others. Meaning you could loot it and nap in it, but unless you somehow restored power to it (completely different topic which we should probably reserve for later discussion on a different thread), it would just be a bunch of boxes with semi-comfortable accommodation.

Being sedated by the police and dragged off to jail seems like it would be a really interesting mechanic, especially being able to pay bail and all. Definitely with including.

Gonna say no on the sex booth thing. They seem a little bit too much out of place, if only for the fact that half this forum will flip their shit over it. Worth it for a mod, but otherwise it seems bit too controversial. Not to say i mind controversy, just seems like it would result in a mess equal to one of these sexbooths without a proper cleaning mechanism

[vache]

Body mod idea sounds nice. It seems like it should be part of an alternate for doctor shops, sort of like a plastic surgeon, or a bionics shop. Which makes me think of something far more sinister, a bionics chop-shop. Maybe a plastic surgeon type shop above ground, and a basement underneath with a bloody operating room and some random consumer grade bionics.

[ShinQuickMan]

On suicide booth:

::Shrugs::

Can’t say I’m surprised that Futurama wasn’t the source of that joke. In any case, Futurama was the first thing that popped up in my head, and I reckoned most people here would understand that reference. Anyway…

Also probably forgot the presence of automated sex-booths in the future. Go in, pay a hefty fee, walk out with a morale boost. Maybe have some fun adjustable settings for masochists so you can hurt yourself during the session. Vandalize it and you get lots of oscillating motors and “rubber hose” Hee.

… if someone’s actually going to put that thing in, could they at least get the help of a comedian in writing the descriptions of its actions? That would be nice, since just about all the other sex “jokes”(termed loosely) we have now are childishly flagrant.

[Hague]

Yeah, I wouldn’t care if either were a mod. Still thought the messed up sex robot from Fallout: New Vegas was enough in that area. Though, I’m thinking more or less like an artificial sensory input system. Like electrodes and the whole thing is neural stimulation, like a the fantasy arcade from Minority Report

[TaigaR]

It would be good if suicide cabins put money on the cards for the killed person. Because organs couldnt be sold at the time, player can only get deposit(a small % of full money) for the vivisected thing. Or player get little money because the Zs organs are not healthy! Not much money on the card for balance. And the money come like: "Persons relative`s bank count cannot be reached at the moment. If you are a relative, please insert your card" or something like that.
Like, the way to earn little money on the card. For not only collecting them.

[kevin.granade]

Speaking of jokes, there still isn’t a blue police box anywhere in the game.

thinks for a few moments
Bigger on the inside… yea we can do that.
Though by cannon it’d always be locked, so that kind of kills it.