Chemicals

grisamentum · 2013-05-15T05:22:26.000Z

Right now the only “chemicals” in the game seem to be:

bleach
ammonia

What are some other chemicals we could add for various actual recipes?

saltpeter (process into nitric acid, add ammonia, get ammonium nitrate for fertilizer or basic explosives, add fuel oil (we can say gasoline maybe) to get quality explosives; ammonium nitrate can also be used in crystal meth recipes)

chlorine (either to make bleach or to make chlorine tablets which can purify water, or possibly for chemical weapons, like the teargas grenades)

lye (from ashes, either for cooking/cure foods, or make soap, or possibly again as a chemical weapon)

maybe we could do a little more with the poppy plants; in theory you should be able to make a lot of different actual painkillers from them, not just “poppy sleep” and “poppy painkiller.”

it could be cool to need a whole lab setup, and to find various specific and realistic chemicals around, which the player couldn’t recognize without sufficient cooking skill.

Pthalocy · 2013-05-15T05:54:45.000Z

MSG - would add to food’s thirst factor, but also increase longevity. Unless salt can already be directly applied, in which case, nevermind.

Borax - I’d be surprised if it wasn’t useable in some recipes - chemistry buffs please help (I believe mixed with aylmer’s glue it turns into flubbery GOO. goo traps??), but I’m familiar with the stuff as a mild bleaching agent, and bug killer.

Alum - very strong dessicant. Not sure if useful in the game’s context, just stating items in case someone else gets ideas.

Cooking oil - Not sure if in the game currently, but if Mythbusters can get a car to run on the stuff, I don’t see why it can’t be something found in restaurants. Possible additional uses in mechanical maintenance?

TheRealTenman · 2013-05-15T10:39:15.000Z

We need magnesium.

Magnesium+Aluminium shavings=Thermite!

Thermite+Pipebomb=Thermite Pipebomb!

Thermite bomb OR Thermite Pipebomb+Zombie=splattered and burning zombie.

Thermite (lots)+explosive ON A deep pit=Thermite Trap Pit.

Magnesium+Aluminium plates+Metal forge=Magnalium plates
We have aluminium plates right?

Nopkar · 2013-05-15T10:42:59.000Z

if we’re going that route I want Styrofoam!!!

styrofoam+gas= homemade napalm.

HM napalm + glass bottle + rags = Napalm bombs!!! (burns 2-3 times longer than regular molotovs?)

styrofoam + pipe bombs = chemical grenades! (toxic cloud?)

system · 2013-05-16T02:35:12.000Z

I wouldn’t mind having all the chemicals of the periodic table and 'a’ctivate a beaker to combine chemicals. Just add some basic recipes and bam.

Napalm and thermite and shit. Also Supro-dextrose-nitro-hydro-borumabindexoum

Sheb · 2013-05-16T08:57:28.000Z

I could help a modder if you want chemicals.

grisamentum · 2013-05-16T21:05:17.000Z

gtaguy:

I wouldn’t mind having all the chemicals of the periodic table and 'a’ctivate a beaker to combine chemicals. Just add some basic recipes and bam.

I think this is the kind of comprehensiveness I had in mind. Naturally it wouldn’t be as simple as listing every element and putting them in beakers, which seems a little wacky, and the fact that there are SO MANY combination of chemicals we can’t just go from there. I mean, hydrocarbons. It’s all C + H, but it’s the various amounts that matter a lot.

Plus there’s the question of how much interaction the player should need. Like, what, you just get a stack of carbon and 4 stacks of hydrogen and you press a button to make methane? It seems too simple. And there are just too many chemicals in the world to list all of those.

Maybe we should start from listing things we want as player abilities/recipes and work backwards to determine what steps, ingredients, and tools are necessary.

Also apologies, I just realized this thread should probably be in drawing board, not the lab.

AseaHeru · 2013-05-16T21:19:55.000Z

thermite might be fun… although to get it it might require some electrical skill for the iron oxide…

but with it… well… cutting things. with some mechanical skill perhaps some bombs?

wad67 · 2013-05-17T10:08:34.000Z

Isn’t iron oxide just rust?

TheRealTenman · 2013-05-17T11:47:19.000Z

Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?

[quote=“Nopkar, post:4, topic:1226”]if we’re going that route I want Styrofoam!!!

styrofoam+gas= homemade napalm.[/quote]

Ooooh I forgot about stuff… One of my friends hurt himself years ago badly enough that he is still in hospital.

Don’t get that shit on your skin, it can get hungry.

i2amroy · 2013-05-17T20:09:31.000Z

[quote=“TheRealTenman, post:10, topic:1226”]Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?[/quote]
In that case you could get the MnO[sub]2[/sub] that you needed from batteries since it’s a main components in lots of dry cell batteries. Though in that case I think something would be needed to stop you from magically transforming ammonia or lemons into magnesium oxide.

drake1storm · 2013-05-17T21:04:24.000Z

[quote=“i2amroy, post:11, topic:1226”][quote=“TheRealTenman, post:10, topic:1226”]Yes but the amount needed to make thermite is quite a lot.

Also Rust based thermite is boring, choose magnesium+aluminium. Because if it doesn’t explode then why the hell do you want it?[/quote]
In that case you could get the MnO[sub]2[/sub] that you needed from batteries since it’s a main components in lots of dry cell batteries. Though in that case I think something would be needed to stop you from magically transforming ammonia or lemons into magnesium oxide.[/quote]

Just create a “home-made battery” object and plug that in to work like batteries, but work in different recipes.

TheRealTenman · 2013-05-18T04:08:56.000Z

How would homemade batteries do any thing?
Think about it, Tin can, lemon, ammonia, whatever
How the hell can this power ANYTHING!

But I can see it now…

Batteries (2)
Homemade Batteries (3400)
Thermite powder (10)
Canister of Homemade Napalm (300)
-Weapons-
Thermite grenade (2)
Thermite pipebomb (5)
Thermite incendiary device
Napalm thrower

GunnerX · 2013-05-18T04:25:49.000Z

There is hydrogen and bleach in the game…

How about some hydrochloric acid? Or we could use Cl from salt and get a pure sodium by product (wouldn’t that be fun!). There is also Iodine tablets so hydroiodic acid could be a possibility as well. Then again I don’t know enough about the reactions to say if they are feasible with the tech available. Perhaps a look at alchemy reactions would be more appropriate to the tech level.

drake1storm · 2013-05-18T12:40:49.000Z

[quote=“TheRealTenman, post:13, topic:1226”]How would homemade batteries do any thing?
Think about it, Tin can, lemon, ammonia, whatever
How the hell can this power ANYTHING!

But I can see it now…

Batteries (2)
Homemade Batteries (3400)
Thermite powder (10)
Canister of Homemade Napalm (300)
-Weapons-
Thermite grenade (2)
Thermite pipebomb (5)
Thermite incendiary device
Napalm thrower[/quote]

You can actually make a lower powered battery from fruit juices.

Are you telling me you never made an orange battery?

Moon_Dew · 2013-05-18T13:27:20.000Z

I don’t think this really fits here but I couldn’t help but think about it:

Lemon juice + Raw fish = Ceviche

Sorry if it’s off-topic.

TheRealTenman · 2013-05-19T03:24:36.000Z

[quote=“drake1storm, post:15, topic:1226”]You can actually make a lower powered battery from fruit juices.

Are you telling me you never made an orange battery?[/quote]

I am simply wondering how you could plug an orange or potato battery into a TAZER, fusion gun, flashlight or welder.
So far it is this:

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If you make homemade batteries separate then how far should you go?
Include volts and amps?
Include an expiration date?
Include rust generation on the can?
Or have an insanely complex charging system.

I vote charging system for realism but that would be a pain to code I assume.

i2amroy · 2013-05-19T03:29:38.000Z

Personally I would make it so that homemade batteries were useful for all tasks that involved recharging another battery (filling up a storage battery or internal battery, for example) but would disable them from most tasks that use batteries as ammo (such as in a welder, taser, or laser gun).

And I love your lemon taser picture.

vultures · 2013-05-19T03:43:22.000Z

It’s really not that hard to turn heat into chem power. It’s that over here, plot doesn’t get you anywhere. Do you really need 40k+ of batteries and a .22 just to do your own bidding?

Pthalocy · 2013-05-19T06:36:42.000Z

Acid rain is typically a mix of water and sulfuric acid, yes? I am not in a position to verify if acid rain can be collected in the same manner as rainwater, but that’s an easy source of another chemical. I assume it has the potency necessary to be somewhat useful, given it is capable of causing pain even without any concentrating or whathaveyou.