Wide Wheels nerf?

KA101 · 2013-09-06T00:22:29.000Z

Seeing over in the Bunker that apparently someone decided to make Wide Wheels set off traps? It’s getting a fair amount of bad attention.

http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14.msg44579#msg44579

What’s the story here?

kevin.granade · 2013-09-06T14:58:28.000Z

More like what’s the rationale for having wide wheels not set off traps in the first place? Sounds like a bugfix to me.

CIB · 2013-09-06T17:06:24.000Z

Kevin Granade:

More like what’s the rationale for having wide wheels not set off traps in the first place? Sounds like a bugfix to me.

Do regular wheels set off traps?

kevin.granade · 2013-09-06T17:10:15.000Z

Yes, all wheels do, see map.cpp around line 756 in vehproceed() and vehicle::handle_trap().
I suspect that when “wide” wheels were added, the trap handling code was testing for the wheel part directly, and wide wheels weren’t added, hence the “wide wheels don’t set off traps” bug, which people have interpreted to be a feature.

CIB · 2013-09-06T17:29:45.000Z

Ahhh. That makes sense.

KA101 · 2013-09-06T22:47:28.000Z

Then what is the point of wide wheels? Seriously. What’s the point?

FunsizeNinja123 · 2013-09-06T23:02:27.000Z

Um… stronger?

Labtop_215 · 2013-09-06T23:30:25.000Z

KA101:

Then what is the point of wide wheels? Seriously. What’s the point?

I think they handle vehicle weight a little better and give better acceleration.

Ian_Strachan · 2013-09-07T03:02:58.000Z

They have twice as much durability.

Seriously, though; wide wheels are, by definition, bigger than normal wheels. This should make them more likely to set off traps they run over, not less. The fact that they ever didn’t was a bug.

KA101 · 2013-09-07T03:11:03.000Z

Well, this “bug” made it to the wiki as a point in favor of Wide wheels.

I thought the reasoning was wider contact point reduced pressure. Wasn’t about to argue it.

Alcatraz · 2013-09-07T15:15:36.000Z

Same here, now I feel they don’t have much use.

Iosyn · 2013-09-07T16:02:09.000Z

[quote=“Ian Strachan, post:9, topic:2942”]They have twice as much durability.

Seriously, though; wide wheels are, by definition, bigger than normal wheels. This should make them more likely to set off traps they run over, not less. The fact that they ever didn’t was a bug.[/quote]

Depends. Larger, wider wheels give better traction and spread the weight of the vehicle over a larger surface area, thus there’s less weight on any one point than if the same vehicle were to use normal wheels.

Anything based off a tripwire trigger or something like a spiked board trap should effect them (i.e, crossbow, shotgun traps) but I’d still say they should have a smaller chance of setting off a pressure-triggered landmine when compared with normal wheels.

Maybe when biomes are introduced we should be able to go all “ice-road truckers” and fall through ice if you’re driving your mobile home somewhere without wide wheels.

FunsizeNinja123 · 2013-09-07T16:28:20.000Z

But they’re WHEELS. If a regular weighted human can set off a trap by just stepping on it, I’m pretty sure a wide wheel on a car can trip a trap.

kevin.granade · 2013-09-07T23:15:00.000Z

Seriously people, this was a bug, nothing more, nothing less.
Although the ice truckers thing is valid, wide wheels will be better for offroading at some point.

Alcatraz · 2013-09-07T23:49:12.000Z

Time to stop using them!

Morrigi · 2013-09-09T07:55:34.000Z

Guys, the mines you see lying around are clearly anti-personnel mines. And last I checked, cars exert far more ground pressure than people do on foot regardless of what kind of tires they have. The whole “It’s a feature!” thing has no basis in logic.