Tips, Tricks, and Newb Questions!

evilexecutive · 2016-01-03T19:02:35.000Z

G.E.C:

I remember someone running the numbers and coming to the conclusion that, DPS wise, the katana was the best weapon, only bested by most diamond swords, and that the diamond katana was the highest DPS dealer in the game.

I somehow feel like the person who did this shit for the Katana is a retarded Weeb who doesn’t actually know anything about swordsmanship. To me it doesn’t seem right that a Katana(Literally no different cutting-wise from an Arming Sword, except in that it’s vastly more fragile), can instantly kill hulks like you’re the main character of an Anime.

Niten needs to be toned way the fuck down, to somewhere on par with Medieval Swordsmanship. It’s not even close to being realistic, and it’s just utterly broken.

Laughing_Fool · 2016-01-03T19:07:17.000Z

evilexecutive:

[quote=“G.E.C, post:12799, topic:42”]I remember someone running the numbers and coming to the conclusion that, DPS wise, the katana was the best weapon, only bested by most diamond swords, and that the diamond katana was the highest DPS dealer in the game.

I somehow feel like the person who did this shit for the Katana is a retarded Weeb who doesn’t actually know anything about swordsmanship. To me it doesn’t seem right that a Katana(Literally no different cutting-wise from an Arming Sword, except in that it’s vastly more fragile), can instantly kill hulks like you’re the main character of an Anime.

Niten needs to be toned way the fuck down, to somewhere on par with Medieval Swordsmanship. It’s not even close to being realistic, and it’s just utterly broken.[/quote]

That’s it. I’m sick of all this “katanas are a weeb weapon” bullshit that’s going on in the Cataclysm dda right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the Cataclysm dda.

evilexecutive · 2016-01-03T19:09:52.000Z

[quote=“Random_dragon, post:12798, topic:42”][quote=“multimark, post:12786, topic:42”]I’ve got a zweihander and medieval swordsmanship and I’ve just found the means to craft a katana and the martials arts book for Nitten Ichi Ryu.

Shoud I switch over to a katana? It seems that the zombies hit me quite often with medieval swordmanship, but it’s maybe related to my relatively low level in melee.
What does medieval swoardmanship?[/quote]

And sorry for the belated response. If you can get an arming sword or longsword, you might fare better, as speed kills. o3o

That said, I’ve yet to test whether medieval swordsmanship is anywhere near as broken as Niten. I already intentionally balanced it so that displace-and-counter requires some actual effort compared to fencing’s automatic counters.[/quote]

I use Medieval Swordsmanship with an Arming Sword, and my character(Who is of a relatively high level), does about 80 damage a swing. It’s satisfying enough for my combat style, as I can one-shot most common zombies. But it’s nowhere even close to the upsurd power level of Niten with a Katana.

I actually have no clue what Medieval Swordsmanship even does, even though I’ve used it for over a month, and 4 ingame years. Can anyone elaborate on what its supposed to do?[quote=“Laughing Fool, post:12802, topic:42”][quote=“evilexecutive, post:12801, topic:42”][quote=“G.E.C, post:12799, topic:42”]I remember someone running the numbers and coming to the conclusion that, DPS wise, the katana was the best weapon, only bested by most diamond swords, and that the diamond katana was the highest DPS dealer in the game.[/quote]

I somehow feel like the person who did this shit for the Katana is a retarded Weeb who doesn’t actually know anything about swordsmanship. To me it doesn’t seem right that a Katana(Literally no different cutting-wise from an Arming Sword, except in that it’s vastly more fragile), can instantly kill hulks like you’re the main character of an Anime.

Niten needs to be toned way the fuck down, to somewhere on par with Medieval Swordsmanship. It’s not even close to being realistic, and it’s just utterly broken.[/quote]

That’s it. I’m sick of all this “katanas are a weeb weapon” bullshit that’s going on in the Cataclysm dda right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that’s about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I’m pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the Cataclysm dda.[/quote]

Fortunately I know you’re joking. This made me laugh.

Noctifer · 2016-01-03T19:10:20.000Z

How long does the common cold last in cata?

pisskop · 2016-01-03T19:15:10.000Z

4-7 days?

Nope

When infected, there is 16% chance the infection will be the flu for 40000-80000 turns (something around 2.5-5.5 in-game days), otherwise it will be the common cold for 20000-60000 turns (around 1.3-4.1 days). Both are infected with 3 strength, which means that mouth protection helps, and moreover if you wearing a gas mask permanently, then you are immune to ambient diseases too!

http://www.wiki.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?title=Low_immunity_diseases

Noctifer · 2016-01-03T19:19:27.000Z

I can deal with 4 days, I go hunting in the mean time.

Laughing_Fool · 2016-01-03T19:59:49.000Z

How do I make a zombie slave?

pisskop · 2016-01-03T20:01:29.000Z

get big knife.
stand over corpse.
(a)ctivate knife
Select ‘create zombie slave’ from menu
Select zombie corpse from tile
Pay attention to what color the resultng text is. And maybe drink your feelz away

BeerBeer · 2016-01-03T20:05:44.000Z

How/where to obtain a ‘portal generator’?

Laughing_Fool · 2016-01-03T20:07:23.000Z

BeerBeer:

How/where to obtain a ‘portal generator’?

I have found them inside prisons and random encouters where there is a bunch of scientists bodies lying arround.

pisskop · 2016-01-03T22:30:47.000Z

Is it possinble to use advanced inventory management to take liquid out of a single malt barrel and put it into a hip flask without picking up the whiskey barrel?

That things heavy yo.

Arek_PL · 2016-01-03T22:35:19.000Z

yes you can but im not sure how

pisskop · 2016-01-03T22:51:43.000Z

Also how do blunderbuss?

Rivet · 2016-01-03T23:03:16.000Z

[quote=“pisskop, post:12811, topic:42”]Is it possinble to use advanced inventory management to take liquid out of a single malt barrel and put it into a hip flask without picking up the whiskey barrel?

That things heavy yo.[/quote]

Just stand near the barrel and press capital U. It should appear on the list as ‘nearby’.

CosmicKobal · 2016-01-04T01:39:16.000Z

Anyone have any idea why, in the latest experimentals, the game NEVER finds a military surplus or pawnshop and sometimes not even a house to start in when using the ‘Burning’ scenario? My city size is set at 8 for crying out loud.

EDIT: just to clarify, when i DO have a house to start in, i OFTEN look on my map and see pawn shops and surplus stores nearby in the same city. but when I later try to start in a surplus or pawn shop, there are NONE to be found.

Zireael · 2016-01-04T08:45:38.000Z

Is the surplus or pawnshop on the same overmap?

pisskop · 2016-01-04T08:51:33.000Z

Try updating.

I know I was using 4093 recently and I couldnt find a city of any worthy size in it. They were scattered hamlets. The newest experimental has very large cities to suit your needs.

Failing that reduce the diatance between cities. But often I find I raid cities to explore the countryside sites

BeerBeer · 2016-01-04T11:28:11.000Z

[quote=“CosmicKobal, post:12815, topic:42”]Anyone have any idea why, in the latest experimentals, the game NEVER finds a military surplus or pawnshop and sometimes not even a house to start in when using the ‘Burning’ scenario? My city size is set at 8 for crying out loud.

EDIT: just to clarify, when i DO have a house to start in, i OFTEN look on my map and see pawn shops and surplus stores nearby in the same city. but when I later try to start in a surplus or pawn shop, there are NONE to be found.[/quote]
The map search function is lacking or possibly even broken. It only works in a limited size area instead of the entire area that has been revealed thus far. The world map is divided into smaller areas, I call them chunks, which are still quite substantial in size (unknown to me how big exactly, about the size of 20x20=400 mansions/farms). The search function only covers your current chunk. You might be unlucky and reside at the edge or the corner of a chunk, cutting you, or the game, off from the rest of the city when it comes to finding a search match. I’m unsure about the terminology but you can read more about it here:

http://www.wiki.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?title=Map

Map
Overmap is the world map, what you see when you hit the m key, it is essentially endless and can be limited only by external means. Character can see five tiles on the overmap in any direction, binoculars double that distance, but some structures still obstruct range of view.

Each overmap tile (e.g. house, crossroad, forest) equates to a single tinymap, or 24x24 player-size tiles. Tinymap is not really used in the code much, but it is available because it is more efficient than a map.

Map is 156x156 player-size tiles and used in normal gameplay; the game has a map m, which is the area which is considered “in-play,” inside which monsters, fields, traps, etc. will be processed. Other than their respective sizes, map and tinymap are completely identical.

Both tinymap and map are formed of an array of submaps. A submap is 12x12 player-sized tiles, and also keeps track of any fields, items, traps, and computers in that area. Tinymap is made up of 2x2 submaps; map is made up of 13x13 submaps.

The only way to reveal world map chunk borders, that I know of, is to use debug/cheats, by using the ‘reveal map’ command, which reveals one world map chunk. I would suggest all players to use that “cheat” at least once just to get a feel how big that area is. To get the debug menu, it must be bound to a hotkey first, so check your key bindings. Try it in a new game and a new world, if you don’t want to give yourself spoilers about your current game’s surroundings.

I would suggest to use the term ‘world map chunk’ or ‘overmap chunk’ from now on, just to avoid the confusion between world map and a section of it.

In the link above, I don’t particularly understand the 156x156… oh wait, is that the ‘reality bubble’? I’ve always used circular distances… Anyway, I don’t think the article explains the world map chunk in any way. A picture, a diagram or a table of the various map size units would be nice for new all players, I’m sure.

I’ve learned that cities can be drastically far apart, so you gotta be careful with the ‘city spacing’ option. There can be entire map chunks that have nothing but farms, labs, FEMA camps and such in them. And forest. I’m guessing that’s why the game fails at finding you a starting location.

Sorry about some of the ramble.

deoxy · 2016-01-04T15:32:05.000Z

evilexecutive:

[quote=“Laughing Fool, post:12802, topic:42”][quote=“evilexecutive, post:12801, topic:42”][quote=“G.E.C, post:12799, topic:42”]I remember someone running the numbers and coming to the conclusion that, DPS wise, the katana was the best weapon, only bested by most diamond swords, and that the diamond katana was the highest DPS dealer in the game.