Oddly enough, when I test these weapons using debug functionality. The length of time I survive is usually ordered in reverse of this list. Maybe it comes from accidentally killing yourself with a sword. Maybe that’s a cautionary tale 
[quote=“dreamfantasy, post:16, topic:10327”]actually besides dps, I would consider the special effect of the weapons as well, like quick, precise, parry.
I usually use faster weapon and play hit and run instead of using a sledgehammer.[/quote]
All of the specials are probably important if you need them. The Zweihander does both knockback and AOE damage, if you’ve got enough skill with it of course.
I’d say most of them are useless. The AoE is slow, you can get knockback and stun from brawling, defensive ones are unreliable.
Rapid strike does increase damage quite a bit and the effect is easy to predict, so I included it here.
I’d rather have a tachi. o3o
Monomulecular blade is the best god-darn weapon, you can’t tell me otherwise. That thing plus boxing is insane.
What, no wakizashi for the minininja? o3o
I’d say most of them are useless. The AoE is slow, you can get knockback and stun from brawling, defensive ones are unreliable.
Rapid strike does increase damage quite a bit and the effect is easy to predict, so I included it here.[/quote]
granted, but aoe works in terms of my time for when I want to wade into a bunch of lower level enemies.
Are the defensive ones meant to be unreliable, or is this considered a bit of a bug?
Less of a bug and more of a result of balancing. While the actual mechanics are a bit more complex, here are some sample numbers:
A 10 stat 0 skill character with a two-by-four will block roughly 20% of the damage
A 10 stat 5 melee 5 unarmed character blocking with a limb will block roughly 50% of damage
The same character with stats bumped to 20 would block 80% of damage
By “Unreliable” I mean that weak characters still need a lot of armor to sensibly use blocks. And that’s even before we consider that most characters are limited to 1 block per turn.
You won’t have an agile fencer in light tunic parrying attacks, DDA fencer dresses in thick leather, plate and kevlar. Especially considering that blocks aren’t impaired by heavy armor…
That reminds me, what ARE the effects of wielding a one-handed weapon in both hands?
We need to add “forces one-handed use” as an armor flag so I can PR shields. 3:
Shattering glass items will hurt both arms (unbelievably minor effect, considering glass items make utterly shitty melee weapons).
You get 1 less tentacle slap attack if you have tentacle arms (0 if you have only lvl 1 of it)
You can’t use ranged two-handed weapons while driving unless you let go of the controls
You’ll need more than just such a minor hack to make sensible shields.
Ah, drat. No effect on how well you could hold it, how you swing it, etc?
The hack would be a good way to make shields logical if one-handed use had more effects.
Does it even affect pistol accuracy, maybe? I thought that the recoil affect was a hardcoded element of boarding a vehicle…
No, it wouldn’t. It would make shields just armor. You still couldn’t block anything but your arms with it and if you could, it would essentially be forcefield.
Being grabbed, losing the arm, being overwhelmed - a good shield system would need to “understand” all of those, a hack that disables 2handing wouldn’t.
You’d need to implement weapon blocking with worn items rather than held weapons first. It wouldn’t be hard, but it would be harder than just hacking around.
Hmm. True. Guessing the shields will have to wait. As mod content is seems they’d be more acceptable as-is, but should probably wait to include them until those properties are implemented.
For most part of a game I use wakizashi as the main melee weapon. Knives are used before I find wakizashi. It is simply awesome in both damage/rarity/speed. This table is good, but not really useful. In real game you should consider getting faster rather than more damaging weapon. You simply don’t need a weapon which deals 9000 damage every 3 moves because it’s more about quantity than strength. So I consider adding some abstract “usefulness” column which calculates the value as follows: RawDmg / ((0.01 * AtkSpd)^X) where RawDmg is weapon’s damage, AtkSpd is Moves per Attack and X is some constant which should be found by adjusting it until you get meaningful output. For most part I think X=2 will do it.
Also what should be REALLY taken into account is that cutting/piercing weapons also slow enemies which makes such weapons as knife spear or knives insanely useful when dealing with enemies. This feature makes damage output for a single enemy even higher.
For example “Combat chainsaw (on)” is barely useful because you’ll get smacked twice after your swing.
Even more accurate results would require calculating average HP of an enemy you might get in your way which should also consider its rarity and its avg damage output which makes even more unknown constants to be found. Apparently when dealing with common zombies you need to use some weapon which can yield damage equal to average zombie’s HP and takes the least time possible. Dealt damage which is higher than remaining zombie’s HP is wasted on nothing.
With long slender swords pretty much dominating the top of the list, it might be best for balance/realism if they suffer a lot more durability damage than other types of weapons, perhaps even with a small risk of breaking at any durability (it’s not hard to imagine an impaled enemy breaking a rapier or katana as he falls).
[quote=“EditorRUS, post:36, topic:10327”]For most part of a game I use wakizashi as the main melee weapon. Knives are used before I find wakizashi. It is simply awesome in both damage/rarity/speed. This table is good, but not really useful. In real game you should consider getting faster rather than more damaging weapon. You simply don’t need a weapon which deals 9000 damage every 3 moves because it’s more about quantities than strengths. So I consider adding some abstract “usefulness” column which calculates the value as follows: RawDmg / ((0.01 * AtkSpd)^X) where RawDmg is weapon’s damage, AtkSpd is Moves per Attack and X is some constant which should be found by adjusting it until you get meaningful output. For most part I think X=2 will do it.
Also what should be REALLY taken into account is that cutting/piercing weapons also slow enemies which makes such weapons as knife spear or knives insanely useful when dealing with enemies. This feature makes damage output for a single enemy even higher.
For example “Combat chainsaw (on)” is barely useful because you’ll get smacked twice after your swing.
Even more accurate results would require calculating average HP of an enemy you might get in your way which should also consider its rarity and its avg damage output which makes even more unknown constants to be found. Apparently when dealing with common zombies you need to use some weapon which can yield damage equal to average zombie’s HP and takes the least time possible. Dealt damage which is higher than remaining zombie’s HP is wasted on nothing.[/quote]
another problem with excess damage is bodies - with enough damage you destroy them with the swing, which is usually good, but not when you gib a zombie scientist (and lose a potential CBM).
another problem with excess damage is bodies - with enough damage you destroy them with the swing, which is usually good, but not when you gib a zombie scientist (and lose a potential CBM).It's insanely hard to gib anything but a squirrel. Even if you have the best weapon available (except for Mjolnir) you will not gib zombies. By the time you get able to gib a zombie, you don't care about CBMs or zombies at all. You are WAAAAAY beyond OP.
I’d rather heavily nerf their armor penetration ability, to the point where it’s viable to switch to low-tier weapons for armored enemies.
IRL a katana wouldn’t scratch a chain mail.