Other rogues mainly have just abstract symbols that fit in only one tile. Cataclysm beside symbols also have what I call “sprites”, which are objects with actual size, shape and orientation. Yellow road lines are “sprites”, pool tables are “sprites”, vehicles are “sprites”, or “annoyingly distracting wild sausages” if you will, and everything else that takes more than one tile, that has shape, size or orientation is “sprite”, as opposed to abstract and dimensionally undefined one-tile symbol.
And like I said, square vs rectangular is up to preference, you can't argue this, because I like the rectangular font, hence any point against "its up to preference" is void.
It’s inherited craziness from the past that came about not due to choice but inability or laziness to make it better. I wouldn’t call it “preference”.
Either way, whatever you want to say about what is "right" or "wrong", it's a question of graphics vs readability. One can get used to either of them, like you said. I appreciate the time you took to read my post and understand what I was saying [/sarcasm], but my point still stands, most games use a rectangular font, hence people are used to the rectangular font. There is no reason to replace the rectangular font with a square one and force it on everyone because of your preferences.
It’s not a book, it’s a game with graphics screen you look at 90% of the time. It’s geometrically and logically wrong to have different proportions in x and y axis. It’s ugly, unnatural, distracting and annoying. It’s a wild sausage. Don’t you see what other people are saying? It’s rectangular fonts which are forced, people ended up using them just because they didn’t know it’s even an option.
But be my guest and implement an option to toggle between square and rectangular fonts in-game, this would be the most productive approach to this problem, much better than trying to impose a way on how people should play.
Two-three lines script could handle that choice at start-up on both Linux and Windows. That would be a good place to move viewport size options as well since they require restart anyway. By the way, I would remove option to have bigger graphic viewport than “12x12” because you still have many things hard-coded for 25x25 grid, with SEEX and SEEY defines, so for example lighting is not applied outside that viewport.
Fixed 9 days ago, which means latest official release still have that bug. Anyway, that’s good, but how could you tolerate it for the last few years? I guess that says something about the game. When people are willing to overlook such abnormalities the game be must freakin’ good, in some way. And amazingly enough it apparently is not the game-play itself, but the content, or something, something else. It’s fascinating… unless, of course, it’s just the most hard-core people who actually play the game and perhaps everyone else just gave up after few minutes of trying it out. Who knows? If you want to appeal to more people I think square fonts should definitively be set by default. That’s the bottom line, it’s what _majority thinks.
Someone commented over there “Windows will require a peek-based solution”. Windows does not have keyboard buffer overflow problem, no fixing should be attempted. There is completely unrelated and even bigger problem with input on Windows build, which is preventing proper animation and causing all sorts of other glitches. I explained all that and fixed it a month ago, but is still not merged to official build, for some reason.
Because using non-square fonts isn’t actually wrong, it’s just not optimal. You can still play the game while using the provided font format without problems. The only thing you’ll lack is a proper proportional display. But that doesn’t make the game unplayable.
And because all this has some reminiscence of the github discussion by you guys in the MGS mod thread. This time with the right/wrong sides switched. Tell me, did all that rhetoric convince you?
Take for granted that your points were considered by many. Probably some of them were convinced and have made the switch already (as shown in some posts). But the more you antagonize those that don’t like the look of square fonts, or don’t care about all this, the more you’ll reinforce their positions.
Even if only a few people played on Linux, a number of the most important people in regards to the development of Cataclysm have played on Linux. This is not something that is trivial.
And yes, it is ironic that someone dedicated to coding “wrong” would be so vociferously opposed to doing things wrong, while simultaneously wondering why they aren’t getting the results they desire. Ultimately, what is right and wrong is about what is effective at achieving your ends.
You claim not to understand how other people approach the issue. If you don’t understand any viewpoint but your own, how can you possibly effectively argue that every other viewpoint is wrong? It’s admitting out loud that the only possible way you could end up right is purely by chance, since you don’t understand the alternatives.
Until you propose your code for merging ‘correctly’, any and all fixes you make to the game to correct things you see as wrong are going to have a pretty limited distribution. This is pretty straightforward. And until you adopt a more effective rhetorical style, you’re as likely to drive as many people away as you convince.
This is not effective at achieving your goals. This is wrong. And I know you can do better.
Maybe you should try setting up a poll? An actual sign of popular support might do you well, if you’re going to continue with the argumentation route.
I pity them for having to endure that keyboard buffering bug, just like I feel sorry for Windows users who don’t know how the game should actually play with proper animations instead of glitching.
You certainly do think a lot of things very strongly, don't you? It's funny to see arguments about the importance of avoiding doing things "wrong" from someone who is so incredibly committed to doing things wrong in regards to code. Then you wonder why your "fixes" haven't been merged in - it's because you haven't bloody well submitted them, have you? No, you insist on doing things wrong, but apparently things are only "wrong" if you think they are, regardless of... evidence, or opinions, or practicality, or outcome, or function.
I gave you the source code, just “submit” it yourself. I don’t insist on anything, simply trying to help you to help yourself, so in order to make the game better I only insist you must do exactly as I say.
Until you decide to start coding correctly, any and all "fixes" you make to the game to correct things you see as wrong are going to have a pretty limited distribution.
I am of course coding correctly, for I am me. It is your code that has some of the most heinous bugs, that has glitches and crashes, missing text messages, invisible windows, random freezing, non-working dynamic spawning, monsters not reacting to noise, inferior driving and targeting, ugly and incomplete lighting, missing night vision and weather effects, incorrect rendering, and stuff… which I fixed for you, made better, faster, more stable, more complete, smoother, prettier, and everything. I also gave you freaking code for music and sound effects. How amazing is that? And yet you are upset with me, for some strange reason. Go figure!
You are not the majority. You aren't even a real developer, since you refuse to work with anyone else in a real way.
[font=courier]I’m master developer, don’t you see?
If I were you I’d listen to me
I work alone because I’m super
And I sing songs like Garry Cooper
You really should hear to what I speak
If you like Cata and growing a beak
It’s naked truth, everything is wrong
What I don’t tell you or sing in a song
I know the best, it’s what I do
I see the future, I know kung-fu
Make no mistake, I’m right, you’re not
I’m super, I’m cool, and I know a lot
It’s so amazing, it beats the odds
More fantastic than the Wizard of Oz
My human friend, I’m so very super
It’s impossible I could make a blooper
My words are gold for young and old
Whoever is bright can see that I’m right
It’s quite sensational, I’m so inspirational
Like some angel of truth, oh that’s so cute
For knowing majority is my top priority
When my decision has such fine precision
I know the best, it’s what I do
I see the future, I know kung-fu
Make no mistake, I’m right, you’re not
I’m super, I’m cool, and I know a lot
It’s never false, what I say is true
Like grass is green and the sky is blue
Always remember, doom - pa - dee - dee
If you are wise you’ll listen to me![/font]
There, you see? Songs are always right. Are you convinced now?
Your opinion only matters insofar as you can convince people it does, and to be honest, you're doing that pretty wrong as well. (I can tell, by the fact that the more you post, the less convinced I become that you are right about any given topic. If your argument is failing to further your goals, you are doing it wrong. It's a pretty basic metric.) Worse, you admit that you're wrong - you state quite publicly, in the quote above, that you don't understand how people think and play, and are thus absolutely terribly positioned to make any sort of judgement call about this topic. If you don't understand any viewpoint but your own, how can you possibly effectively argue that every other viewpoint is wrong? It's absurd. It's admitting out loud that the only possible way you could end up right is purely by chance.
I disagree.
Suffice to say, if you're trying to convince people you are right, "chance" is not an effective argument.
I don’t care to convince anyone of anything. It’s enough people know and can see for themselves, for it is obvious that square is better and who thinks otherwise is wrong and should be put in jail. Admit it!
So I'm going to say this and make it clear:
The developers do not have to do your work for you. If you ever want to make an actual, real contribution, in the form of an actual, real pull request, your changes will be reviewed and commented on, and suggestions may be made as to what would need to be done to merge them if anything, and once it's in a shape where it doesn't break anything for anyone else or make development in general more difficult, it will be merged in, assuming it has any value.
What is preventing you to submit it yourself wherever you want and make whatever pull request you please?
Value? Break anything? Seriously? Just try it out:
Wonderfully smooth driving experience helped by enormously useful auto-shifting view, beautiful rounded lighting effects with gorgeous gradual fade-out ring, animated bullets, explosions and shrapnel, improved colors, enhanced night vision and weather effects… no nasty bugs, no annoying crashes, no ugly glitches, and I even enabled random NPCs to spawn all around. It’s like night and day compared to official release. Not to mention music and sound effects, it’s ten years ahead. Bla-blaah!
As long as you insist on doing things wrong, both in argument and code, your opinion (and despite your protestations, it is exactly that, an opinion.) isn't even wrong - it's just worthless.
Maybe you should try setting up a poll? An actual sign of popular support might do you well, if you’re going to continue with the argumentation route.
In my opinion, it’s a bit of a trade-off. If you have even horizontal and vertical pixels, you’ll have a more accurate reflection of the map as it’s being displayed, true. However, the text will look rather scrunched. Fonts in just about every other app are taller than they are wide to facilitate more letters per line, and it takes a bit of mental adjustment to feel comfortable reading them when they’re equal in length and height. I can understand how some people will be willing to endure that adjustment more than others, and some people may find it harder to mentally adjust to the map size being skewed instead.
I have not encountered the “keyboard buffering bug” In linux or windows…
Also people should stop complaining at LazyCat because he/she has contributed massively to this game and in such a short time, Never leave us LazyCat (Poem was god tier).
[quote=“wad67, post:52, topic:675”]I have not encountered the “keyboard buffering bug” In linux or windows…
Also people should stop complaining at LazyCat because he/she has contributed massively to this game and in such a short time, Never leave us LazyCat (Poem was god tier).[/quote]
not really
also it was tasetase who did the actual merges
No problem. I just wanted to offer more insight on this alternative, as I noticed there’s no other screenshots around here using this particular font (nor here nor anywhere in the forum AFAIK). Now you know how it looks in-game.
[font=courier]
Oompa Loompa, do - ba - dee - doo
I’ve got another puzzle for you
You’re just mad 'coz you wrong
It’s less wide than it is long
Belive your eyes, what they see
Then you’ll know as good as me
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