Tips, Tricks, and Newb Questions!

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[quote=“scorpion451, post:12134, topic:42”]* grind electronics and computers until you can craft a control laptop. For lab start characters, the books and components needed to do so can all be found in labs. You just have to survive long enough to build one, and escape gets a lot easier. Never enter a lab without one. If I drive across the map to a new lab and realize I forgot my control laptop, I will turn around and go back for it.

  • Yes, it really is that important: a control laptop not only takes care of turrets, it will save your life by turning all the other robots in a lab from swarming death machines into YOUR swarming death machines.[/quote]

So what should I be aiming for when trying to get a Control Laptop exactly? There’s literally no info about it on the wiki, or in the item browser, or on the internet as a whole. All I found was a single reddit thread asking what one of the components were. What are the minimum required levels? Does the recipe get autolearned at that point? Is it strictly craft-only or can I look for it somewhere?

I still don’t understand what the difference between “hard health” and regular HP is. How can you tell you’re not healthy? Does the max HP decrease/increase over time or what?
Say, I start with 80HP and get hit for 20. If I’m healthy I regenerate back to 80, but if I’m not I only regenerate up to 70? Are you required to have the Self-aware trait to tell how healthy/unhealthy you are?

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[quote=“KliPeH, post:12162, topic:42”][quote=“scorpion451, post:12134, topic:42”]* grind electronics and computers until you can craft a control laptop. For lab start characters, the books and components needed to do so can all be found in labs. You just have to survive long enough to build one, and escape gets a lot easier. Never enter a lab without one. If I drive across the map to a new lab and realize I forgot my control laptop, I will turn around and go back for it.

  • Yes, it really is that important: a control laptop not only takes care of turrets, it will save your life by turning all the other robots in a lab from swarming death machines into YOUR swarming death machines.[/quote]

So what should I be aiming for when trying to get a Control Laptop exactly? There’s literally no info about it on the wiki, or in the item browser, or on the internet as a whole. All I found was a single reddit thread asking what one of the components were. What are the minimum required levels? Does the recipe get autolearned at that point? Is it strictly craft-only or can I look for it somewhere?

I still don’t understand what the difference between “hard health” and regular HP is. How can you tell you’re not healthy? Does the max HP decrease/increase over time or what?
Say, I start with 80HP and get hit for 20. If I’m healthy I regenerate back to 80, but if I’m not I only regenerate up to 70? Are you required to have the Self-aware trait to tell how healthy/unhealthy you are?[/quote]

You don’t NEED self-aware to know you’re healthy or unhealthy. In general if you’re healthy you’ll get little messages after sleeping saying that you feel great, and you also need significantly less sleep to get rested too, the chances of your wounds getting infected goes down quite a bit too, and the odds of getting an ambient sickness like the flu greatly diminish. Finally, you heal faster with less rest…

Now on the flipside, if you’re unhealthy you might not be getting a message, but it’s quite easy to find out whether or not you’re unhealthy. First of all you get sick much much faster than when you’re healthy, and the chances of a wound being infected also increases greatly. You’ll need more sleep every night to get rested… The biggest one of them all is that your wounds will heal slower, and if you’re unhealthy enough, they won’t heal AT ALL with rest.

So like I said, you don’t need self-aware, and i never use that trait since I find it a waste of points anyways. But it’s generally very easy to get healthy even if you have a very basic survival set up going. Once you can cook your own food your health will get better and better slowly but surely… Also, herbal/dandelion tea is a massive boon in getting there since it quenches, gives enjoyment, and it’s healthy AF.

And just avoid foods with the ‘junk food’ trait and you’re fine. Also, drugs 'r bad, mkay!

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Well, that’s weird. Here are the requirements from the game (experimental 0.C-3984):

Skills used: electronics
Required skills: computers(4)
Difficulty: 7
Your skill level: ___
Time to complete: 25 minutes (nobody’s this fast…)
Tools required:…

You’ll also need the hackPRO software which comes in a USB stick, as it’s one of the crafting components.

[quote=“KliPeH, post:12162, topic:42”]I still don’t understand what the difference between “hard health” and regular HP is. How can you tell you’re not healthy? Does the max HP decrease/increase over time or what?
Say, I start with 80HP and get hit for 20. If I’m healthy I regenerate back to 80, but if I’m not I only regenerate up to 70? Are you required to have the Self-aware trait to tell how healthy/unhealthy you are?[/quote]
HP = Hit points, your character’s immediate physical condition, the representation of the status of your character’s physical integrity.

Then there’s the separate and hidden immune system, which determines when your character gets a flu or a common cold. This is the invisible stat. Of course, if your character actually gets a flu or a cold, then you’ll know for sure he/she hasnt’ been on a healthy diet. There might be debug commands that reveal the exact numbers.

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When waking up after long (2+ hours) sleep, you may get a message.
If this message is green and “happy”, you’re healthy.
If it is negative, then you’re unhealthy.

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Also, drugs 'r bad, mkay!

I do them drugs n’ such attempting to install them metal man bits for the boon to my success chance.
Am I putting my life at risk, doc, or its okay to dope up on these special occasions?

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[quote=“DemonButter, post:12166, topic:42”]

Also, drugs 'r bad, mkay!

I do them drugs n’ such attempting to install them metal man bits for the boon to my success chance.
Am I putting my life at risk, doc, or its okay to dope up on these special occasions?[/quote]

You’re not gonna croak from dropping a bump of coke to up your stats once in a while, but generally getting addicted to the shit is a quick way to tank your health quickly and in a bad way. Especially stuff like meth (low grade is even worse) will do you in very quickly.

Like real life, moderation is key with most things… Although I wouldn’t suggest you start using drugs in real life. If you need to install bionics, then doing some drugs can certainly help out greatly… As long as you’re not doing multiple bumps a day or some crazy shit like that.

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[quote=“deknegt, post:12163, topic:42”]You don’t NEED self-aware to know you’re healthy or unhealthy. In general if you’re healthy you’ll get little messages after sleeping saying that you feel great, and you also need significantly less sleep to get rested too, the chances of your wounds getting infected goes down quite a bit too, and the odds of getting an ambient sickness like the flu greatly diminish. Finally, you heal faster with less rest…

Now on the flipside, if you’re unhealthy you might not be getting a message, but it’s quite easy to find out whether or not you’re unhealthy. First of all you get sick much much faster than when you’re healthy, and the chances of a wound being infected also increases greatly. You’ll need more sleep every night to get rested… The biggest one of them all is that your wounds will heal slower, and if you’re unhealthy enough, they won’t heal AT ALL with rest.[/quote]
That’s the thing though, I never really get to test any of that except when I sleep, after which I get a “You feel well rested” message.

  1. I wear a filter mask all the time; I hear infections get pretty common after a while, and it’s also winter. Plus smokers, fuck those guys.
  2. I haven’t gotten into combat for quite some time and I’m wearing sufficient armor so I don’t get damaged even when I do.
  3. Even after I fight, I either use bandages or just go to sleep. My wounds heal completely thanks to the Fast Healer trait. I haven’t noticed a decline either way.
  4. I need more sleep because I do crafting way after midnight and end up tired as shit as a result of that. I’m sure I would need less sleep if I bothered to have a decent sleeping pattern.

I’m not doing any drugs or anything TOO unhealthy, just hunting and surviving. Thanks for the info!

[quote=“BeerBeer, post:12164, topic:42”]Well, that’s weird. Here are the requirements from the game (experimental 0.C-3984):

Skills used: electronics
Required skills: computers(4)
Difficulty: 7
Your skill level: ___
Time to complete: 25 minutes (nobody’s this fast…)
Tools required:…

You’ll also need the hackPRO software which comes in a USB stick, as it’s one of the crafting components.[/quote]
I see. Is there a good way to grind the Computers skill aside from trying to manually bypass security in consoles and fail? I only found the Computer World book which leveled me up once, but that’s the extent of it.

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What is the difference between meth, crack, and cocaine in the game in terms of addiction?

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What is the difference between meth, crack, and cocaine in the game in terms of addiction?[/quote]

Crack and cocaine have same effects as each other. 1 penalty to int and per, small morale penalty, occasional stim debuff. Don’t let it stack though - it scales quite strongly with addiction level.

Meth is devastating at moderate addiction levels. Strong stim debuff, penalty to moves that can effectively bring your speed below 25 (to as little as 5), activity cancellation and general uselessness.
Unless you’ve got a large stack to delay the effects of addiction, you should cold turkey it even if you risk starving or are forced to eat poisonous zed meat.

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How to unload a certain amount of liquid from a large container? Do i have to transfer the liquid into a smaller container and then pour from that smaller container, or is there a more convenient way?

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The only other way I know to raise computer skill is to… use the control laptop to hack things. Yeah, not very helpful for you at the moment.

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I learned this last week in this same thread… Have nothing in your hands, stand on top of the container (like a keg), and then press ‘U’. It should give you the unload prompt and allow you to choose the item on the ground.

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nope. no way to specify how much except by using third, forth, or fifth containers.

Im a fan of using installed tanks, platic bottles, and small bottles.

small bottles/hip flask = 1water
plastic bottles/glass jars = 2 water
glass bottle = 3
13jar = 12
gallon jug = 15

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The only other way I know to raise computer skill is to… use the control laptop to hack things. Yeah, not very helpful for you at the moment.[/quote]

There’s more books that raise computers.

And is a -20 health status good? :wink:

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[quote=“FunsizeNinja123, post:12175, topic:42”]There’s more books that raise computers.

And is a -20 health status good? ;)[/quote]

That’s definitely bad. Makes you less delicious. ;w;

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Where do I obtain anti-parasite pills in the xperiementals, or the recipe to craft one?

I havent found any anywhere, despite being in 4 labs thus far. :\

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[quote=“pisskop, post:12177, topic:42”]Where do I obtain anti-parasite pills in the xperiementals, or the recipe to craft one?

I havent found any anywhere, despite being in 4 labs thus far. :[/quote]

The only lab area I can recall finding them in would be the teleporter rooms. I suspect pharmacies and docotors offices are the more reliable suspects. As for crafting them?

Skill used: cooking
Required skills: N/A
Difficulty: 6
Time to complete: 30 minutes
Tools required:

1 tool with chemical making quality of 2
nearby fire OR integrated toolset (20 charges) OR hotplate (20 charges) OR charcoal smoker (2 charges)
Components required:
5x vitamin
10x aspirin
1x concentrated acid OR 8x datura seeds
1x bleach OR 100x oxidizer powder
–
This recipe can be found in the following books when cooking is at least the required level:
chemistry textbook (level 7)
Advanced Physical Chemistry (level 6)
Pocket Survival Guide (level 8)
Survival Under Atomic Attack (level 6)
Outdoor Survival Guide (level 6)
Autobiography of a Mountain Man (level 7)
chemical reference-CLASSIFIED (level 6)

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It goes down to -200.
+/-20 is no big deal.

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[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:12179, topic:42”]It goes down to -200.
+/-20 is no big deal.[/quote]
So, like, what happens at around -200? Do you get one flu after another? Can you actually LOSE hit points during rest because of bad health? With ‘Slow Healer’ trait?

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You stop regenerating in your sleep.
Without slow healer, you stop regenerating at -100, with slow healer at -52, with fast healer you would need -400, which isn’t possible.
You can’t lose hit points that way, but your chances of getting ill keep increasing.
Still, a gas mask makes you immune to illness.