I am unsure how turns & ticks are calculated.
Suggestion:
Full auto:
A. Fires as many rounds as the weapon is capable of firing in one turn. Base this on IRL rate of fire.
B. Fires as many rounds as the weapon would be capable of firing if bursted the entire turn.
Burst-fire:
A. Base this on how many shots would come out of the weapon if the trigger is depressed for 1/2 a second. So, An m16 with a cyclic rate of 800 would have a burst of 6 rounds, a mac-10 at 1200rpm would fire 10, an AA-12 at 300rpm would fire 2.
B. Base this on an arbitrary number that fits the gun- m16 with 3 or 4, mac-10 at 15, m249 at 25.
Ideally one can fire multiple bursts/semi-auto shots per-turn, while full-auto would take the entire turn.
Feel free to make your own suggestions and discuss them!
Tangential:
Remove the âYou must reload!â message and let us try to shoot an empty weapon- âClick!â
âSemi-autoâ would generally always be an option and behave like firing normally does now. One aimed shot.
âShort burstsâ might require more time and a handling check (and/or a check based on a weaponâs quality) to fire as many as intended, but would not require the firearm to be automatic - youâre just shooting it faster, albeit not as fast as an actual automatic. Individual firearm skills could increase accuracy and expand your options, from âfire wildlyâ at level 0 to âfire precisely six shotsâ at level (whatever), but there would need to be a way to keep it from being too fiddly. I recall individual firearm skills affecting reload times but donât remember if it also affects the time it takes to shoot - if so, this could be reflected in your maximum number of shots available per burst.
Then âfull autoâ, for times when you donât mind spending up to an entire clip, that might work similarly to how a short burst works for non-automatics, except faster and more difficult. Bridging between full-auto and small burst-fire would be those automatics with a three-round burst function, skipping the fire control step and shooting precisely three bullets.
Each setting trades fire speed for accuracy and extra checks for things going wrong. Higher fire rates should have a dramatic effect on accuracy, and skill levels themselves should have a dramatic effect on this penalty. Certain firearms might not have access to certain settings, e.g. some SMGs either fire automatically or one at a time, LMGs have no semi-auto, and most pistols canât empty a clip in one turn.
No matter the skill level, some weapons would have a cap on how fast they would fire, 100 moves being six seconds. We might be well-served making any speed boosts also increase the base fire time of a weapon, or else let people who are faster than normal warp time and space to let firearms shoot above their rpm.
EDIT: âtime to shootâ in most cases means time spent acquiring the target, aiming for weak spots, managing recoil, picking your nose, etc. I donât think any weapon should have an in-game rate of fire that reflects its maximum theoretical speed while maintaining any accuracy.
One thing that bugged me slightly, is how prevalent automatic/burst weapons are. You shouldnât be able to get a full auto ar-15 from the gunstore, or find an m249 in a house. I can understand gangsters having smgs, and military drops, but thatâs all really nitpicky in the end.
CataWorldâs gun laws were specifically quite a bit less restrictive than IRL gun laws.
The world was an Arch-Conservative paradise right before the world ended.[/quote]
Iâd love to have seen that news report (and the following nuclear melt-down on tumblr) âGovernment laxes laws on automatic and assault weapons in light of recent riotingâ
âWATâ âWHY TEH GOV DO STOOPID SHITâ âLOLZGUNNUTSâ etc, etc
Yah, I like Anderâs idea about short bursts being available for semi-autos as well.
I still think full-auto should be the option for holding down the trigger- having minimal accuracy is fine if youâre treating the gun like a lead hose.
(and sometimes I want to treat the gun like a lead hose)
Additional modes beyond âsemiâ âburstâ âfullâ, like â3-round burstâ, might just clutter things up though- Iâd treat burst as a catchall that functions as max-damage for semi-autos & medium damage for automatics, and leave it at that.
If semi/burst modes wind up not taking a whole turn, Iâd have the âClick!â take the same amount of time as a semi shot. Just for that âOH SHITâ moment, and players kick themselves for not keeping track.
Hmm, thereâs a case to be made for bows/slings being less apt to forget the ammo count, (heavier, continually reaching for & fondling the ammo, etc). Perhaps have a message that announces it, but let the player forget theyâre out after that and possibly waste time?
âThat was your last arrow!â
âYou reach for another arrow, but thereâs nothing there!â
I have no idea what youâre trying to suggest here, and I have no idea whatâs wrong with adding a special burst function to firearms that have it. If it turns out to be too much work for whoever codes it - fine. If not? It could be interesting, a unique advantage conveyed that can be taken into consideration that isnât âone degree less dispersionâ or âthree more damageâ or âfive more clip sizeâ.
I wanted to make a new thread for my short burst suggestion but a quick search dug this thread up instead. I might as well post it in here, despite doing a semi-necro with this.
The current burst duration is quite long. 10 rounds for an M4 seems a bit excessive . So why not add an optional short burst for non-triggerhappy skilled operators with equal or more than 3 levels in firearms and the respective weapon skill? The burst count could then be dived by 3 and rounded up, leading to a 4 shot burst for the M4 example. The option to go full retard in a moment of danger would stilll be there but a short burst feels much more appropriate for an experienced shooter in most situations.
It should actually be noted that most automatic rifles come with an actual âburstâ mode, which is set by the rifle itself. I.e. the M16âs three-round burst.
Maybe a system that exists in a game called Silent Storm (look it up, itâs a great alternate-WW2 tactical TBS) would work here?
Single shot - S2 had accuracy modes, a-la âsnapâ and âaimedâ, but here itâs probably all snap. A single shot.
Burst shot - Depending on the weapon, this a 2/3/4 round burst. Takes more time than single, but not outrageously so.
Full auto - The shooter keeps shooting until one of three things happens. A: the weapon runs out of ammo or jams, B: the shooter runs out of action points, C: if the shooter is skilled enough, he stops shooting when his intended target is dead.
For Cataclysm, we could probably have the B condition of full auto use the standard interruption mechanics - i.e. âmonster dangerously close, stop shooting? y/nâ. A is a given, and C might also work. The other two firing modes would work as normal, just with saner burst sizes - two, three, or four rounds, just like the real weapons. Youâd need a new parameter though, like âautofire costâ - the time it takes to fire each consecutive shot in a burst, be it short burst or full auto.
It has been worked on for a while. It currently allows the player to switch between different automatic rates, like 3, 8 round auto on the MP5. Double barrel shotguns are using the old system until an actual DOUBLE rate of fire is added. NPCs can use the system in 4981.