hey everyone, i have always been a strong proponent of abstract and philosophical thinking and discussion in the context of video gaming, since it has always been a big influence in my life. i have been following this game for a while now, since about the time whales went on hiatus, and most of you seem to have played Tarn Adam’s “Dwarf Fortress,” but either way, i have a little bit of background material i’m sure everyone here can appreciate. so i will leave a few links after the break, and i hope to spark a bit of discussion because i figure you all seem to be pretty intelligent bunch and i love to read some of the things i find here. so without further adieu ~
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Losing
now here is a game that blows my mind. i have played and loved df since around the time of the 3D transform in early 2010, and this particular article really sold it for me. i sat thinking long and hard about the ideas presented here, the implications of a game not having a win condition (minecraft was blowing up around that time too iirc) and of course inevitably comparing this game and Tarn’s story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarn_Adams) to my personal interpretation of the state of the AAA games industry today.
even if DF is not for you, the article on losing (aka “fun”) is an interesting read and is pretty relevant to cataclysm, i’d say. but this article isn’t really worthy of a whole discussion on its own, and here i’d like to take the chance to plug one of my favorite ever web series, Extra Credits.
http://extra-credits.net/episodes/choice-and-conflict/
http://extra-credits.net/episodes/non-combat-gaming/
http://extra-credits.net/episodes/the-skinner-box/
http://extra-credits.net/episodes/gamer/
http://extra-credits.net/episodes/the-role-of-the-player/
http://extra-credits.net/episodes/what-is-a-game/
ive been pretty busy with school so i dont get a chance to really play much anymore but ive tried the newest build and i just gotta say… you all have done some really great work. i thought cata was amazing even when whales was done with it, but its really going to the next level now. i do frequent the forums and i think you are a pretty cool bunch (i used to game online a lot 360/pc, not everyone is so nice) so i definitely would like some reactions or thoughts from anyone who watches one or two of those episodes, not everyone has the time but they are a very intelligent couple of dudes who have a lot of very interesting thoughts about the game industry, what a game is and should be, and what it means to be a game designer. their earlier stuff is better, the middle stuff is pretty philosophical and the newest stuff ive found to be just political banter about the game industry, though it still holds merit.
do you think there are lessons or skills to be learned via cataclysm, or any other game for that matter (but keep it relevant) that may prove or have proven useful in real life? i find that it helps keep you thinking ahead, and that inventory management helps tune your organizational and memory skills, especially for cata, lol.
what sort of behaviors do you find yourself doing in the game that you do irl? or do find that you play a completely different character than your rl self? what level would you rank your RP in game (making decisions based on character and not on more obvious RL goals like, well, surviving at all costs)?
but most importantly, why? why do you think you do this? some things are a bit personal lol but really. the whole point here is to think about it on a higher level. thats the idea, anyway. so why do you do this? why do we do this?
obviously im fascinated by player-character interactions and how your play style exemplifies your RL personality, especially in the context of this particular game. it would be nice if we had a big community pool of videos, and that taking a GIF of your play was simple for everyone, so i could see other people’s styles of play. there are some LP vids on youtube and whatnot but you know… im just saying. also i was reading the forums and had visions of bloodlines games similar to those of DF yore, where players swap saves after playing for a predetermined amount of RL or in game time; except in cata, you could play with your own different characters and swap worlds. idk much about programming or what it would take to do such things but hey… food for thought.
how do you fare with the general lack of a “goal” in cata? do you ever get bored? you could basically hoard a bunch of food and just stow away somewhere nice and quiet for a while… what fun would that be? what exactly makes cataclysm fun? what is the goal in cataclysm? obviously surviving indefinitely isnt usually that fun, so then is the goal to die?
on a side note, when are we going to have roving packs of zombies? ive been waiting for that since day 1
and what general impact has video gaming had on your life? positive? negative? ever been addicted? (EC has an excellent episode regarding everquest and WoW, and the episode “skinner box” linked above regards facebook and other social gaming media. pretty interesting stuff.)
what is your fondest memory of gaming? i still remember the first time i was thinking about my DF fortress, and i just sat and listened to the music, and it really touched me. the music is always what gets me. way back to zelda OOT, and pokemon r/b/y. video games, when done right, also can communicate strong morals, ive learned a lot of life lessons through gaming. (dont kick the chickens!!! hehe)
i dont want this discussion to turn towards violence in video games or anything political at all. this is purely philosophical. video gaming is maturing as an industry and it has become a central part of some peoples lives.
is it art? any why or why not?
oops, i almost forgot. i also have grown very very fond of the “draw your cata” thread, and i really want to ask you guys to somehow memorialize or at least catalog the pictures there, idk what that would entail, maybe i could even do it myself with photobucket or something (if thats even still around?) but if someone else has the skills and the time to do it nice, i really think it deserves it. theres some real characters in there and i would like to see some sort of central repository for cata media like drawings, screen caps, gif’s, etc… you are a pretty talented and creative bunch.
anyway its cool if no one even cares about such high brow discussion. i probably will not even have time to check this again until well into next week, what with the snow coming again to RL new england, and coming up into midterm season now as well. in any case, here’s to you guys and gals who put so much work and thought into this game, i hope to spend many more late nights holed up in a dark and cold grocery store being caught in town after sunset, cramming chips and soda into my face for sustenance and checking my bullets… with a smile
cheers