Add AXE level3 , Make chainsaw a little useful

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before that, on your cut tree off, hand axe use same time with chainsaw.

tools.json:

Find ID: “chainsaw_on” and “elec_chainsaw_on”
“qualities”: [[“AXE”, 2]], Change to [[“AXE”, 3]]

then, on construction.json, add this

{
        "type" : "construction",
        "description" : "Chop Down Tree",
        "category" : "FARM_WOOD",
        "difficulty" : 0,
        "time" : 8,
        "qualities": [ [ { "id": "AXE", "level": 3 } ] ],
        "pre_flags" : "TREE",
        "post_terrain" : "t_dirt",
        "post_special" : "done_tree"
    },{
        "type" : "construction",
        "description" : "Chop Tree Trunk Into Logs",
        "category" : "FARM_WOOD",
        "difficulty" : 0,
        "time" : 10,
        "qualities": [ [ { "id": "AXE", "level": 3 } ] ],
        "pre_terrain" : "t_trunk",
        "post_terrain" : "t_dirt",
        "post_special" : "done_trunk_log"
    },{
        "type" : "construction",
        "description" : "Chop Tree Trunk Into Planks",
        "category" : "FARM_WOOD",
        "difficulty" : 0,
        "time" : 20,
        "qualities": [ [ { "id": "AXE", "level": 3 } ] ],
        "pre_terrain" : "t_trunk",
        "post_terrain" : "t_dirt",
        "post_special" : "done_trunk_plank"
    },

done.
I have not used chainsaw cut terr in real life, 3 minute just be my guess.

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Axe 3 sounds sensible. Chainsaw sure makes a huge difference over an axe.

I only have used small chainsaws IRL, (light ones, meant to be used one-handed, mostly for pruning). - that’s not me btw, but he’s got the same saw. :slight_smile:
I have seen others using heavy chainsaws for cutting trees though.
For full trees i’d estimate at least 5-10 minutes to do it safely with a chainsaw.

PS. This has nagged me for a while. The combat chainsaw takes 186 moves/attack. This seems a bit high.
I mean a chainsaw like what i posted can easily lop off body parts in a blink and is no more cumbersome to use than e.g. a big wood axe.
Its drawback is a shorter blade when comparing with heavier chainsaws, that may or may not be significant for combat.

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[quote=“jcd, post:2, topic:11841”]Axe 3 sounds sensible. Chainsaw sure makes a huge difference over an axe.

I only have used small chainsaws IRL, (light ones, meant to be used one-handed, mostly for pruning). - that’s not me btw, but he’s got the same saw. :slight_smile:
I have seen others using heavy chainsaws for cutting trees though.
For full trees i’d estimate at least 5-10 minutes to do it safely with a chainsaw.

PS. This has nagged me for a while. The combat chainsaw takes 186 moves/attack. This seems a bit high.
I mean a chainsaw like what i posted can easily lop off body parts in a blink and is no more cumbersome to use than e.g. a big wood axe.
Its drawback is a shorter blade when comparing with heavier chainsaws, that may or may not be significant for combat.[/quote]

Because of the “policy”, youtube for me are untouchable. XD
But I can imagine small chainsaws what it is. :slight_smile:
well, 5-10 minutes it sounds reasonable, Later I’ll working on it.
but combat chainsaw, so far I can’t modify it, 186 looks like became calculated by weight , it does not have a value says"186".

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I was mostly trying to start a discussion on the subject of the speed.
But such a light one is 3-4kg, not 5-6kg (current combat chainsaw weight)
Thing is, i am always hesitant to change existing items without a bit of research, bc i guess the one who put them in had something in his mind.
Of course, we could add a ‘light combat chainsaw’, but then how we model the shorter blade? Less dmg?

PS. Why not use a proxy for youtube?

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Unfortunately this often isn’t the case when it comes to old items.
For example, chainsaw lajatang (4 turns for a mediocre attack, very expensive to construct) or zweihander (even after the buffs it is generally worse than a regular machete).
Before I rebalanced many items, they were in a much worse state, with battle axes, maces and morningstars being useless, diamond zweihander being worse than a plain machete, katana pretty literally bisecting tanks (even without Niten) and bare hands hitting harder than sledgehammers.

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[quote=“jcd, post:4, topic:11841”]I was mostly trying to start a discussion on the subject of the speed.
But such a light one is 3-4kg, not 5-6kg (current combat chainsaw weight)
Thing is, i am always hesitant to change existing items without a bit of research, bc i guess the one who put them in had something in his mind.
Of course, we could add a ‘light combat chainsaw’, but then how we model the shorter blade? Less dmg?[/quote]

humm,ok,I remember some stuff, such as “katana” or “wakizashi”, they contain a “techniques”, called: “RAPID”, effect in melee speed.
I do not know details about “RAPID”, but I do heard of someone say they can modify melee speed, cut half? I guess.
like this(not test in game)

"id": "no idea,but obvious need on and off "type": "TOOL", "symbol": "/", "color": "light_gray", "name": "light combat chainsaw?", "description": "jcd's light chainsaw /o/, name on it. :D", "price": 35000?, "material": ["steel", "aluminum"], "weight": 3000, "techniques": "RAPID", "flags" : ["CHOP", "MESSY", "DURABLE_MELEE"], "volume": 8, "bashing": 6, "cutting": 65, "to_hit": -3, "max_charges": 600, "ammo": "gasoline", "turns_per_charge": 2, etc, but basically finish }

PS. Why not use a proxy for youtube?
a little bit of personal reasons, and privacy safety concerns. I didn't trust that VPN or something. for free VPN ,there are High-risk area of computer virus and junk software. for normly VPN, people who provide this service, it have very good reasons to stealing privacy information, and clearly have ability to do it. as a not good example is, Anyway, party or Big Brother know everything already, like two tiger, your choice stay with full one ? or hungry one? (shrugged) that's problem, is most of Chinese people need to face on, whether they realized or not.

(and technically, it is illegal, at least between illegal or in illegal, when some bad VPNowner rob a bank account, things turned like “Hi officer? that man stealing my heroin”)
(I didn’t believe VPNowner can rob my bank account though, just for a example.)