Tips, Tricks, and Newb Questions!

deoxy · 2017-03-12T21:55:48.000Z

[quote=“mlangsdorf, post:16836, topic:42”]Minifridges take up an entire space on a vehicle, so you can only install if it you have an open space. Basically, the space can’t have a seat, table, bed, aisle, board, quarterboard, door, windshield, or other vehicle mount equipment (like a kitchen buddy or welding rig) there. I think you can’t install full size storage batteries and minifridges in the same space either but storage battery mounting rules are complicated.

If you have a frame with nothing else on it, you should be install the minifridge there and then install other things after it, like a small tank, a roof, and a wheel. If necessary.[/quote]

mlangsdorf:

[quote=“Zeebie, post:16837, topic:42”]That did it, thanks. Same for kitchen unit, apparently.

Minifridges, foodco kitchen buddies, onboard kitchens, vehicular chem labs, vehicular forges, and vehicular welding rigs all take the entirety of a vehicle space.[/quote]

It’s not that it takes “the entirety of the space”, it’s that you can only have one thing installed in a space that gives any storage value.

So, anything that lets you store stuff there prevents you from installing anything ELSE that lets you store stuff there. That’s the single biggest restriction in the vehicle system, IMO.

The second biggest is the “slot” system. A few things take no slow (clock, car battery, vehicle controls, that kind of thing), but most do. This whole system is a bit hard to check, as the biggest restriction (storage, mentioned above) will block stuff even from other slots.

The simplest slot to check is the roof, as I know of nothing that takes the roof slot that gives storage. Solar panel, mounted weapons, and floodlights are about all that goes up there - you can’t have a solar panel and a mounted weapon, which is a bit annoying sometimes.

There’s also one “fuel” slot (not sure what the official name would be) - any storage battery or liquid-holding tank fills this slot, but car batteries take no slot (last I checked).

I haven’t updated in a while, so maybe the interface shows it better than it used to - having the install system show which slot would be taken by something would be REALLY nice, and make the whole thing make more sense.

pisskop · 2017-03-13T01:36:49.000Z

turrets are roof mounted and most require storage

ynemo · 2017-03-13T15:17:32.000Z

How can i wield item from the ground directly, without putting it to inventory?

pisskop · 2017-03-13T15:57:16.000Z

You have to make to grab it with a full inventory. iirc you cannot wield directly from the ground with an empty inventory. Besides, that menu isnt a cheat to make you faster, it still costs the same movement points to do so.

Maybe advanced inventory has some kind of option for it?

vylaern · 2017-03-13T20:32:29.000Z

How to wake up? I forgot the button.

pisskop · 2017-03-13T20:48:09.000Z

Nope. no button to wake up. you will do so when your character feels like it or is interrupted by an external stimuli

Walegrin · 2017-03-20T16:46:12.000Z

I’m trying to build a roof but the game keeps telling me I can’t build it there. Does the room/structure have to be fully enclosed before roofing it over is possible? I was trying to start from a corner so there were two walls adjacent to my target square.

Don’t have the build number handy but it is about two weeks old now if that helps.

Noctifer · 2017-03-21T02:17:39.000Z

Does poison resistance or strong stomach help with the eating of rotten/tainted flesh?

pisskop · 2017-03-21T22:40:58.000Z

help with not puking up your guts or taking a huge penalty from nausea.

ynemo · 2017-03-22T15:16:19.000Z

how can i scroll zombie desrioprion? i mean “mouse view” window

Noctifer · 2017-03-22T17:39:03.000Z

Probably page down button (it is labeled as pg dn on my keyboard).

Rot · 2017-03-23T15:24:04.000Z

Is throwing still viable? I’m thinking of making a character that exclusively throws things to kill.

Also, I’m wondering if stronger characters can throw heavier objects farther, and if any other stat modifies your throwing to be better (perception or dexterity?)

_k1 · 2017-03-23T15:35:23.000Z

My throwing (knife) is still more damaging and accurate than melee (rapier). It’s probably about to be nerfed, though.

So… inb4?

Eric · 2017-03-23T20:46:31.000Z

What exactly does an item’s butchering level do? Does it make butchering faster, increase drops from butchering, or both?

pisskop · 2017-03-23T21:16:19.000Z

drops only, afaik.

but the higher a wielded weapon’s single-type damage is the faster smashing goes.

imho smashing > butchering the undead

deoxy · 2017-03-23T23:05:50.000Z

pisskop:

[quote=“Eric, post:16854, topic:42”]What exactly does an item’s butchering level do? Does it make butchering faster, increase drops from butchering, or both?

drops only, afaik.[/quote]

This is the first time I’ve heard it claimed that it ONLY affects drops. I’ve heard from fairly authoritative sources that it affects time (and some say that’s all it affects), but I’ve also heard from fairly good sources that it affects time and drops - that is, there are three things checked for each possible drop, and if you get a net positive number, you get the drop, and one of them was butchering tool.

I don’t remember the specifics anymore, but it was something like 0-N three times, where N was (dex - 12), butchering quality, and (survival skill - 3), and add up the results of all three and if wasn’t negative you get the drop, so if your dex was 12 or higher, your butchering tool wasn’t one of REALLY bad ones (only a very few have a negative number), and your survival skill was at least three, you always get all the drops. (Note that for CBMs, after it’s determined that you get it, it then does a check to see WHAT you get, and “burned out bionic” is a big chunk of that list.)

My experience is that that formula seems to hold true, or at least, those conditions seem to hold true (the only time I don’t get all the drops any more is right at the beginning of the game or when I’m freezing in the bottom of a lab and my dex is really low).

Coolthulhu · 2017-03-25T01:44:16.000Z

Only time is more correct.
Drops are affected by bad quality, but not good quality.

deoxy · 2017-03-25T15:32:35.000Z

[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:16857, topic:42”]Only time is more correct.
Drops are affected by bad quality, but not good quality.[/quote]

Hmm, I’ve looked through the code, and clearly, this stuff has changed since I last updated (I haven’t updated my experimental in a few months now). Looks like there’s never 100% chance to get CBMs anymore? The other stuff you get from butchering has different chances to get reduced at different levels of survival, the highest being sinew at 8(!) survival…

So yeah, ignore the stuff I said - it seems to be outdated.

Coolthulhu · 2017-03-25T21:12:11.000Z

deoxy:

Hmm, I’ve looked through the code, and clearly, this stuff has changed since I last updated (I haven’t updated my experimental in a few months now).

If good quality ever affected drops, it was before I started contributing to the development. Which was quite a while before 0.C.

There were two non-ancient changes to drop rolls:
CBMs becoming non-guaranteed.
Drops being capped at some number instead of growing infinitely with skill (before that, a skilled butcher could extract more meat than the corpse had).

deoxy · 2017-03-26T04:55:47.000Z

[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:16859, topic:42”]There were two non-ancient changes to drop rolls:
CBMs becoming non-guaranteed.
Drops being capped at some number instead of growing infinitely with skill (before that, a skilled butcher could extract more meat than the corpse had).[/quote]

That second one has got to be pretty old - I’ve never gotten over certain fixed numbers from corpses, even when my survival skill was very high.