6+ months of agonizing "realism" nerfs have ruined this game

Lazy_lizard · 2016-09-25T03:43:01.000Z

Let’s not build glass houses and get into stone throwing contests here. We can all be friends.

SpadeDraco · 2016-09-25T04:08:30.000Z

mightyagrippa:

Every time Random_dragon plops another steaming post onto the forums, I like Mugling a little more.

My friend, I have a bit of reading here that is relevant to your sentiment. I strongly believe that it would be a great benefit to both you and the rest of us here on the forums if you were to read through this page carefully and contemplate the implications of what you just said in relation to it.

en.wikipedia.org

Hypocrisy

Hypocrisy is the contrivance of a false appearance of virtue or goodness, while concealing real character or inclinations, especially with respect to religious and moral beliefs; hence in a general sense, hypocrisy may involve dissimulation, pretense, or a sham. Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles. According to British political ph Hy...

Random_dragon · 2016-09-25T04:27:02.000Z

And look, the main point of that post was to highlight that yes, there are realism changes being thought up that actually make the game better.

Voqar · 2016-09-25T10:16:22.000Z

Here we go again. Woohoo!

Why were the “healthy” vehicle part colors changed…what does this gain other than confusion? Why?! Now I feel like my whole vehicle is almost repaired but not quite. Arrrggghh…

But even worse. Why were repair times made so utterly/stupidly/ UNFUCKING FUN long?

This is a game. Whoever works on this should repeat that mantra to themselves regularly. The game is FULL of things that aren’t remotely realistic. Adding selective realism that makes the game immensely annoying and unfun is moronic. Yes, in reality, it takes hours to repair simple things on vehicles, especially when your dealership mechanic is charging $250/hr to jerk off. But that doesn’t make for fun gameplay.

As of this post, it takes longer to repair a single solar panel or piece of military composite than it does to remove an engine from a vehicle, remove the engine from your vehicle, and mount the new engine in your vehicle.

I’m literally going to end up depleting two cities of food and every animal I can find to butcher just to build and fully repair a death mobile because it takes 4 hours to do anything. Attach a heavy frame. 4 hours. Repair anything. 4 hours.

It is not fun to sit and watch the time go by as your repair for hour after hour after hour after hour after hour after hour after hour after hour after hour after hour after hour after hour after hour. That is NOT good gameplay. It actually totally fucking sucks.

Is there zero thought or editorial control over what nonsense gets built into this game?

PS - thanks for making filthy clothes a mod. The no gun clips mod is only so-so because it doesn’t fully restore guns to before the disaster (some mods don’t exist like extended clips, or didn’t last I tried it). I think canned food contents (unloaded) were changed back in a way to work with cooking again too, which is good considering you need a years worth of food to repair a vehicle now.

Valpo · 2016-09-25T10:38:14.000Z

I didn t notice such a huge spike in repair time.
The part colouring happened befor because of a bug . So i would asume its not intended and will be fixed.

mugling · 2016-09-25T16:35:28.000Z

Voqar:

Why were the “healthy” vehicle part colors changed…what does this gain other than confusion?

Vehicle parts depend on items and the vehicle code previously required upon some ugly hacks to try and correctly handle damage when adding/removing parts. They now use the same code path (with the effect the colours are identical). This should allow us to close unintended behavior such as installing a broken gun as a turret, welding it, and then removing it and wielding it. Multiple code paths that do almost the same thing are a common problem in the codebase. We can’t really work on new features in that area until the existing issues are resolved.

pisskop · 2016-09-29T20:58:26.000Z

Im always baffled at how little sense they make the first paragraph. its there to beat automated spam filters, sfaik, but have a little more fun with it mayb?

ApatheticExcuse · 2016-09-29T20:59:28.000Z

I’m always left wondering if they actually sell anything this way.

SpadeDraco · 2016-09-29T21:10:05.000Z

ApatheticExcuse:

I’m always left wondering if they actually sell anything this way.

They must. Otherwise I don’t see how it would be worth the trouble of making the spambots.

ApatheticExcuse · 2016-09-29T21:13:48.000Z

The site it links to is surprisingly professional, too.

pisskop:

Im always baffled at how little sense they make the first paragraph. its there to beat automated spam filters, sfaik, but have a little more fun with it mayb?

Dude, in the other thread the poor spambot talks about it’s relationship problems, and about the Freeman family, including poor Bill “Erectile Dysfunction” Freeman. It’s actually pretty funny stuff.

Caconym · 2016-09-29T21:17:54.000Z

[quote=“ApatheticExcuse, post:185, topic:12504”]The site it links to is surprisingly professional, too.

pisskop:

Im always baffled at how little sense they make the first paragraph. its there to beat automated spam filters, sfaik, but have a little more fun with it mayb?

Dude, in the other thread the poor spambot talks about it’s relationship problems, and about the Freeman family, including poor Bill “Erectile Dysfunction” Freeman. It’s actually pretty funny stuff.[/quote]
That poor bot, it only wants to make money to try and keep his relationship and support it’s family after losing it’s previous job. D:

Litppunk · 2016-09-30T01:04:36.000Z

so that was a bot post? Interesting.

Pthalocy · 2016-09-30T03:52:11.000Z

Yup, back to normalcy for now.

Voqar · 2016-09-30T21:24:27.000Z

CDDA was a great game. I loved it.

I don’t love the Auto Mechanic 2016 Simulator that it’s become.

In fact, when I see the completely off the wall “Blah blah Simulator 2016” games on Steam I’m usually like, WT-everloving-F - who buys this stuff?

I really don’t get why people who work on this game are hell bent on making such amazingly miserable changes to the game.

Code reviews - or better yet - design reviews - with a shred of common sense - would be pretty neato.

PS - I can’t reset my pwd for this forum since the emails for it never get thru. I saw someone get a link for this via reddit but I can’t find a moderator to try it either. (Hence I post sparingly via work laptop - which is probably for the best)

Pthalocy · 2016-09-30T22:34:43.000Z

Unfortunately I don’t yet have sufficient permissions to handle password recovery - and don’t know that I will, as I’m interested in being moderator rather than full Admin. My suggestion would be to message Rivet about this, if you have not already. In my past experience she’s been online regularly enough to catch these sorts of things. I couldn’t get my own password back either when I returned here this September - I finally remembered it thru sheer force of guesswork. Bleh.

gamejunky · 2016-10-01T06:59:33.000Z

I wonder how long before it becomes mandatory that your character has to take a daily shit or your guts explode and you die a horrible death. All in the name of improving realism. The real question is how long you have to idle for them to finish it. Maybe the amount of fiber they get in their diet will have a determination on that. Like if you don’t eat enough food high in fiber it takes as long as repairing a part on your vehicle. And let’s not forget the morale penalty you take if you don’t keep enough rags or craft enough toilet paper to wipe clean afterward. Oh! and make sure you shit where zombies and ferocious animals aren’t nearby or they might home in on the smell. Nothing worse that having that private moment interrupted by a zombie hulk. If you drink too much unclean water you should get Montezuma’s Revenge and generate an extra amount of smell that puts you in even more danger.

Findulidas · 2016-10-01T08:03:13.000Z

gamejunky:

I wonder how long before it becomes mandatory that your character has to take a daily shit

I could see that working in a game like this. Having diarrhea might not be romantical but it can be scary when you know that you can die of it, dying of diseases related to it is still very common in the world. Without antibiotics, proper clean water and an easy way to rest would be dangerous. Being excessively dehydrated and weak. Not to mention the zombie factor like you mentioned before. Doing your number one and two could also easily have a risk of attracting monsters afterwards due to the smell if you dont dig it down or something. This could be a huge factor if you plan to build a base somewhere. Yeah, I could see that actually working in a game like this.

Would also get thumbs up from me from the basic fact that it would be the first game to implement basic human hygiene principles that we all do every single day in an mechanically important and in universe fitting way as well. Certainly about as much irritating as having to eat food and sleep atleast.

Taberone · 2016-10-01T13:33:43.000Z

gamejunky:

I wonder how long before it becomes mandatory that your character has to take a daily shit or your guts explode and you die a horrible death. All in the name of improving realism. The real question is how long you have to idle for them to finish it. Maybe the amount of fiber they get in their diet will have a determination on that. Like if you don’t eat enough food high in fiber it takes as long as repairing a part on your vehicle. And let’s not forget the morale penalty you take if you don’t keep enough rags or craft enough toilet paper to wipe clean afterward. Oh! and make sure you shit where zombies and ferocious animals aren’t nearby or they might home in on the smell. Nothing worse that having that private moment interrupted by a zombie hulk. If you drink too much unclean water you should get Montezuma’s Revenge and generate an extra amount of smell that puts you in even more danger.

Findulidas:

[quote=“gamejunky, post:191, topic:12504”]I wonder how long before it becomes mandatory that your character has to take a daily shit

I could see that working in a game like this. Having diarrhea might not be romantical but it can be scary when you know that you can die of it, dying of diseases related to it is still very common in the world. Without antibiotics, proper clean water and an easy way to rest would be dangerous. Being excessively dehydrated and weak. Not to mention the zombie factor like you mentioned before. Doing your number one and two could also easily have a risk of attracting monsters afterwards due to the smell if you dont dig it down or something. This could be a huge factor if you plan to build a base somewhere. Yeah, I could see that actually working in a game like this.

Would also get thumbs up from me from the basic fact that it would be the first game to implement basic human hygiene principles that we all do every single day in an mechanically important and in universe fitting way as well. Certainly about as much irritating as having to eat food and sleep atleast.[/quote]

Bodily functions are a thing that will never happen, though.

[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:1, topic:9764”][size=12pt]Poop and related bodily functions: NO[/size]
No, just no, not even in a mod.[/quote]

ApatheticExcuse · 2016-10-01T15:16:58.000Z

[quote=“Taberone, post:193, topic:12504”]Bodily functions are a thing that will never happen, though.

[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:1, topic:9764”][size=12pt]Poop and related bodily functions: NO[/size]
No, just no, not even in a mod.[/quote][/quote]

cough

Track nutrition separately from hunger

I’m going to agree that tracking whether the characters are meeting their RDA of different nutrients seems a bit excessive.

New, more real style amunution system, maybe?

Yeah, I want Cataclysm to be a game with sim elements, not a hardcore survival sim. So we’re not going to be drilling down into the depths of loading individual magazines and whatnot.

[quote=“i2amroy, post:2, topic:4869”]Cleaning firearms occasionally? Yes.

Cleaning other things? Possible, but slim

Cleaning clothes? Probably not. The reward for adding it in is probably not worth the amount of hassle it would cause in-game.[/quote]

Cleanliness as an Item Quality

The difference between cleaning clothes and repairing them is that on is something you have to do as a result of specific decisions/things that happen to your character, while the other is something you will always have to do. Repairing is something that’s only needed to be done after you’ve gotten into combat (and with better armors not even then). Cleaning is something that would basically amount down to “and then every other day I have to spend time doing this”; and that’s a bad thing (or at least something that could be automated).

As a couple examples of stuff that “will never happen”. You don’t have to look too hard to find more.

Coolthulhu · 2016-10-01T16:14:03.000Z

Cleaning clothes un-happened from the core game, though.