# Your Favorite Tryhard Build (For Vanilla)

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/your-favorite-tryhard-build-for-vanilla/24682>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [September 7, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/your-favorite-tryhard-build-for-vanilla/24682 "2020-09-07T20:12:27Z")\
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**Author:** ![Litppunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/litppunk/32/409_2.png) [@Litppunk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Litppunk)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 4:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/your-favorite-tryhard-build-for-vanilla/24682/2 "2020-09-08T04:17:11Z")

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If you read through the bows and crossbows rebalance notes thread, you’ll see a lot of discussion about a 18 strength, 4 dex, 8 int, 4 perception build. Seems like a pretty strong build with relatively light min-maxing.

Also a lot of arguing that effectively points out that strength is really strong and PROBABLY needs to get re-balanced at some point, especially if you don’t plan to go into any of the dex martial arts.

> [@Bows, Crossbows and Their Balance](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/bows-crossbows-and-their-balance/17067):
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> In the interests of balance and furthering the game, I’ve decided to put together a little thread/poll here about bows and crossbows, specifically looking at their balance. To be clear, I’m the one responsible for most of the recent changes to bows and crossbows, and I fully intend to continue tweaking and expanding them until the heat death of the universe (Or I just get bored of Cataclysm), so useful discussion and voting here will likely have an (eventual) impact on the game itself. A pretty…

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