Worlds collide

[system]

I see your point I don’t know much about the nether world itself really I think its well hell so maybe the enemies could just be called the names and have their appearances be more alien. I don’t know I’m not the developer.

[detahramet]

To me it seems that the amount of time for the world to undergo this change is a tad bit long. Perhaps the timescale of this could be configurable? Such as at the end of every season, at the end of every two seasons, three, every year, every two years, and so on

[kevin.granade]

The environment getting harsher is something we definitely want to happen, and a lot of what you’re describing is similar to what we’re planning on, but with some extra detail we’ll likely snag

The concept GlyphGryph has been working on is that there are various zones that are aligned in one way or another, and as time progresses that alignment becomes more and more severe and the zones expand. If you want to survive long term you’ll have to defend your patch of normalcy against the hordes of undead, fungi, plants, and nether creatures, either that or give up and learn to live with them. So the stuff you’re describing would happen in nether-aligned areas.

The thing about fire whips is they really don’t accomplish that much, they do in fact create a ball of fire, but it’s too diffuse and short-lived to accomplish much of anything. If you hit something with them just right, they could light clothes on fire I guess since they’d basically spray you with gasoline then ignite it, but it’s not that much gasoline.

The magic and fantasy themed stuff we’re pretty strongly against. It just doesn’t fit with our view of the game world. For the demonic creatures, that might mean re-theming them a bit to be more sci-fi-ish alien creatures rather than being blatantly fantasy-themed, for spells and such it means they’re pretty much out.

[system]

Ok that sounds cool, as for the fantasy elements I can agree with you I did add enough fantasy elements to it that it could be it’s own mod.

[system]

Yea drop the demonic stuff keep the names maybe? But give them more alien flare like the Succubus could instead change into a grotesque mesh of humans (like The Thing similar to the dog in the mines). As for the Generals they could look like Cthulhu and have physic-beams instead of spell’s. The spell books could be psychokinetic power’s you gain by defeating generals.

[kevin.granade]

Hah, if anything GlyphGryph is even more rabidly anti-psionics than he is anti-fantasy, and I’m with him for this game at least.

“weird stuff happening around you” psionics is a maybe, but “Activate bla power targeting x” is out for the game.

You can get the same effects with various scifi widgets that you just activate, or for that matter wrap it up in a CBM.

As for names, sure feel free to make a huge bull-horned monster that has some kind of flame weapon and call it a Balrog you know? The main thing is that the description puts it in the right context.

[system]

Ok thanks for telling me.

[GlyphGryph]

Note that it’s specifically actionless psionics I’m against.

Telepathy that is actually “these monsters have an organ that can generate and receive electromagnetic signals (or you mutating the same organ) which allows detection of other such organisms and basic communication through manipulation of these broadcast signals” is okay with me. It can even get a lot weirder than that. But it should at least be explainable with some sort of psuedo-science if not real science, and each instance should be limited in scope and explainable on it’s own without conflicting with anything else. Because an action means we can do interesting stuff like provide the player a way to create a device that can track and intercept these “psychic” powers.

The problem with psionics is that there’s nothing you can do with classic “psionics” psionics that can’t be done better and work more effectively at enhancing the games thematics by replacing it with something that has a legitimate cause-of-action. For ESP, we have a variety of actionful ways to expand the characters sensory range - for most of the energy-based psychic powers, we have plenty of ways to pseudomagically shoot lightning and fire.

If you want to create some extradimensional based psuedoscience reason for something psychic-like, fine, but ensure that it has an actionable element, like all the psionic analogues we have already - if we can avoid taking cheap shortcuts, we should, and if we can’t, we should avoid going there altogether. The key is that we don’t want to make normal “humans” special magical beasts or ascribe some magical power to their soul, which is what most psionics is about doing.

[kilozombie]

I really, really hate this suggestion. Just… all/most of the portals have shut, most nether creatures can’t survive in our plane for more than a few seconds (lore!!!) and it just… doesn’t seem well thought out to me. Those time scales are RIDICULOUS! And how do you expect things to transition into their nether forms? Instantly? Gradually? What if a player’s in a house when it transforms? Or if they destroy the house, what happens?

[woflsipder]

I don’t think the regular world should turn into hell too. Instead portals should work both ways , to hell and from hell , so if you want an end game adventure just hop in a portal and have a ride to your death because nether doesnt contain oxygen and is 1000 degrees hot.

[GlyphGryph]

As Kevin mentions, though, I do want the stuff to expand over time.

kilozombie - actually, it’s different for each creature - many of them can survive at least a few hours, and indefinitely as long as they remain close to an open portal. And some of the creatures, specifically the triffids and fungaloids and the netherum (as long as they have a host) can continue to spread out and expand even without that.

I’d love to see triffids and fungaloids eventually, slowly, take over a town, turning into a fungal/animated plant controlled hellhole.

I’d also like to see the portals that remain open strengthen over time and introduce a variety of other options, but I’d like the changes to the areas they roll over to be an effect of their action rather than a weird transformationy magic thing. A portal to a dry, hot world might tear wider and wider over time, leading the surrounding areas to become barren desert-like wasteland as sand and dry heat constantly blows in from the portals winds… meanwhile, this creates violent storms all around the edge of the area.

[system]

[quote=“GlyphGryph, post:14, topic:2779”]Note that it’s specifically actionless psionics I’m against.

Telepathy that is actually “these monsters have an organ that can generate and receive electromagnetic signals (or you mutating the same organ) which allows detection of other such organisms and basic communication through manipulation of these broadcast signals” is okay with me. It can even get a lot weirder than that. But it should at least be explainable with some sort of psuedo-science if not real science, and each instance should be limited in scope and explainable on it’s own without conflicting with anything else. Because an action means we can do interesting stuff like provide the player a way to create a device that can track and intercept these “psychic” powers.

The problem with psionics is that there’s nothing you can do with classic “psionics” psionics that can’t be done better and work more effectively at enhancing the games thematics by replacing it with something that has a legitimate cause-of-action. For ESP, we have a variety of actionful ways to expand the characters sensory range - for most of the energy-based psychic powers, we have plenty of ways to pseudomagically shoot lightning and fire.

If you want to create some extradimensional based psuedoscience reason for something psychic-like, fine, but ensure that it has an actionable element, like all the psionic analogues we have already - if we can avoid taking cheap shortcuts, we should, and if we can’t, we should avoid going there altogether. The key is that we don’t want to make normal “humans” special magical beasts or ascribe some magical power to their soul, which is what most psionics is about doing.[/quote]
Ok I see, fuck it lets bioshock it Gene-splicing drugs for everyone weee.
But in all seriousness I can see where your coming from it’s a science-fiction game and I some times forget that.

[system]

Ok I figured out how to explain the humming of the generals wear these mouth pieces that amplify their humming noise to the point you take cranial and torso damage. So there’s a greater risk as you can both die or become deaf. When you kill them you butcher their corpse to get their “hum glad” which you can weaponize to create a noise trap that lures zombies to their doom.

[GlyphGryph]

Actually bioshock doesn’t bother having a method of action for many of it’s powers. I think we can do better than that. (But it’s not a bad starting place)

[system]

What about a non-sentient goo that’s contained in a jar or cartridge that you shoot on enemies to deal the damage to them. Say you attach a lighter at the muzzle of the goo launcher so it burns and sticks to enemies or you can make it acidic for a better way of quietly burning through walls.

The goo launcher itself could look like Spider-man’s web shooter only bigger and not so concealed or a gauntlet.

[Zarthull]

[quote=“ajwilli1, post:21, topic:2779”]What about a non-sentient goo that’s contained in a jar or cartridge that you shoot on enemies to deal the damage to them. Say you attach a lighter at the muzzle of the goo launcher so it burns and sticks to enemies or you can make it acidic for a better way of quietly burning through walls.

The goo launcher itself could look like Spider-man’s web shooter only bigger and not so concealed or a gauntlet.[/quote]
So thats basically a flamethrower, not much new there, though I do like acidic goo that can stick to things and melt them. Would be a cool way to get through those metal walls.

[system]

[quote=“Zarthull, post:22, topic:2779”][quote=“ajwilli1, post:21, topic:2779”]What about a non-sentient goo that’s contained in a jar or cartridge that you shoot on enemies to deal the damage to them. Say you attach a lighter at the muzzle of the goo launcher so it burns and sticks to enemies or you can make it acidic for a better way of quietly burning through walls.

The goo launcher itself could look like Spider-man’s web shooter only bigger and not so concealed or a gauntlet.[/quote]
So thats basically a flamethrower, not much new there, though I do like acidic goo that can stick to things and melt them. Would be a cool way to get through those metal walls.[/quote]

Yes but a sticky no-mess flamethrower now only 19.99! I think acid would also work well against zombs melting the corpse so you don’t have to butcher all the time, but the acid would take a while and its a silent killer.

[xLemor]

More importantly who actually gets as far as playing 3 years + of ingame time?
Theres only a few of us that actually made it thru a single year then got bored or had to restart cause of new updates causing compatibility issues in the saves.

[i2amroy]

[quote=“xLemor, post:24, topic:2779”]More importantly who actually gets as far as playing 3 years + of ingame time?
Theres only a few of us that actually made it thru a single year then got bored or had to restart cause of new updates causing compatibility issues in the saves.[/quote]
Actually surviving a year is fairly easy. Surviving without getting bored, on the other hand, is not; and will hopefully be something that is remedied as we add more end-game content.

[woflsipder]

At first i saw this game as a realistic zombie apocalypse simulator with some stuff to spice up the action and make it more fun. The portal stuff should be made really rare , not to destroy the fact that it’s a zombie apocalypse , not a demon invasion.

And all it takes to make the game 10 times harder is to reduce animal spawns to realistic amounts , or make animals static spawned and make them reproduce on their own to increase the population or if you go on nuking the forests , make their populations get destroyed.