Win Condition

[RADIALTHRONE1]

I think in a way, you “win” when the game is no longer challenging to you.

Or you generate enough terrain that it takes to long to copy/move your save to the newest experimental.

[Theundyingcode]

I think about 95% of this is a way of providing a challenge to end-game characters. Basically you will be playing ‘Defense’ using your survivor and his base instead of a new person in some random building. Afterwords if you survive you have the option of ending the game with some sense of accomplishment.

[kevin.granade]

You can do all the same things without adding something that goes against the game tone and lore.
However if you want to add it as a mod instead of in the main game, no problem

[vache]

One thing I’d LOVE to see is an extra game mode that’s more focused. My idea was for something like “campaign mode” where you select a certain scenario which can have a few features, like a locked character preset, premade map, require a certain set of mods, specific goal, etc. It could be free form, just try to survive with this character preset in this map, or it could have a specific goal, like try to make it from the evac shelter in the top left corner of the map to the refugee center in the bottom right corner, and so on. It could even track stats and have some sort of stat page at the end so players can compare how they did on a scenario.

[Theundyingcode]

One thing I’d LOVE to see is an extra game mode that’s more focused. My idea was for something like “campaign mode” where you select a certain scenario which can have a few features, like a locked character preset, premade map, require a certain set of mods, specific goal, etc. It could be free form, just try to survive with this character preset in this map, or it could have a specific goal, like try to make it from the evac shelter in the top left corner of the map to the refugee center in the bottom right corner, and so on.

In my not so humble opinion if there was a goal other than survive it wouldn’t be CDDA anymore(ascii besiege maybe?). The new scenarios are great in this respect because they add flavor and circumstance without changing the overall feel of the game. I don’t want to change the overall game I just want to be able to end a game with out feeling empty inside.

but,[quote=“Enke, post:9, topic:10761”][quote=“CIB, post:8, topic:10761”]Just add death by old age to the game…[/quote]
He fought zombies for life. Every day, all the time, nonstop zed killing… He was a mucho macho manly man, who could rip zombies to shreds with the hair on his arm…

…He died when he got old and fell down the stairs. Death by old.[/quote]
I would love to play this, a ridiculously strong/skilled but with the effects of very old age: slow moving, needs a nap in order to get through a day, brittle bones weak to bashing dmg, can’t remember recipes half the time and needs the books, but can hit a Z in the face with an 55-gallon drum of gasoline from 20+ tiles away and send a flaming ex-companion flying after it.

[vache]

That’s why you add it as a separate game mode.

[kevin.granade]

In my not so humble opinion if there was a goal other than survive it wouldn’t be CDDA anymore(ascii besiege maybe?). The new scenarios are great in this respect because they add flavor and circumstance without changing the overall feel of the game. I don’t want to change the overall game I just want to be able to end a game with out feeling empty inside.

There not being a ‘win’ condition in the main game IS a major part of the ‘overall game’. Adding something where you somehow stop the monster incursion and start rebuiling the world makes the game even more ‘un CDDA-like’ than having a game run where you have a specific mission.
Again, both would be perfectly fine as mods, they’re not required to preserve the tone of the game.

[Theundyingcode]

Your probably right… with the addition of boats I thought about adding the ability to “retire to a far off land out of the destructive reach of the cataclysm” i.e. bug out to an uninhabited island but it seemed too boring given that this is a game of mutant cyborgs smashing though things in nuclear dooms day tanks. Although, maybe adding a whole batch of different ways to retire would be help keep that free open world feel.

[Gergoric]

I don’t think it’s a good idear to give cataclysm sourvivors the ability to end their existence for as long as we can’t end our lives without dying.

[AseaHeru]

When factions get worked on more, the ability to retire to one of them may be an idea…

[Theundyingcode]

For now I am going to focus on the zombie hoard attracting part because I think there are a lot of potential uses for being able to trigger hoard spawns in game.(Quests, zombie Thunderdome, convoy/guard jobs ect.) I’ll figure out the rest when I’m done.

[Zireael]

When factions get worked on more, the ability to retire to one of them may be an idea…

I believe this has long been talked about.

[Random_dragon]

When factions get worked on more, the ability to retire to one of them may be an idea…

I’d rather retire as a bandit instead. Cheeki breeki.

[kevin.granade]

To be clear, there’s a big difference between “retiring”, implying your player is in a stable enough situation where they will probably survive, and “winning”, which implies that the scenario itself has been overcome (in this case, the monsters are gone).
There are a number of scenarios where retiring would be reasonable, and there’s no problem with that, it’s just “winning” that’s problematic.

[Random_dragon]

Aye. Retiring is one thing that would be interesting, especially if DF-style shenanigans were a thing.

Winning though? As I’ve said, you can’t unfuck the planet. XP

[Gil_Amar]

I like this idea, it sounds like a good way to test a character who you think can survive anything. Suicide/deleting the save is a really lackluster way to end off your run in my opinion, and this seems like a much better alternative for the hardcore survivalists who think they can withstand whatever the game throws at them.

[RADIALTHRONE1]

Maybe when you retire a character, have an option to make them into an NPC?

[Theundyingcode]

Maybe when you retire a character, have an option to make them into an NPC?

I had been thinking about that actually. I went and changed “Commit Suicide” to “Abandon your Survivor” in my game(hard code not mod) and thought it would be a good idea to have them stay in the world as an NPC with whatever gear/stats you had at the time. Additionally their level of hostility would be determined by the number of NPC’s you killed. Unfortunately I have no clue as how one would go about implementing this since I know nothing about json,lua or how CDDA is structured. (I’m just good at tinkering with things)

[KliPeH]

[quote=“Gil_Amar, post:25, topic:10761”]I like this idea, it sounds like a good way to test a character who you think can survive anything. Suicide/deleting the save is a really lackluster way to end off your run in my opinion, and this seems like a much better alternative for the hardcore survivalists who think they can withstand whatever the game throws at them.[/quote] Speaking of the game testing your character, why not use the retiring option as a perma-spectate thingie? Basically, from the moment you retire you let the AI take control of the character, moving him around and doing regular stuff NPCs would do. If it gets killed, then so be it. If it doesn’t, the game moves it on its own and does various tasks, and you get the basic after-death e(x)amine options without the ability to control the character or do anything else to it. Pretty much letting the game do its own thing without intervening.

[Chezzo]

What about escaping? Either into space or in to an alternate reality that hasn’t been taken over by the blob… Yet.

There would be a huge crafting chain to make a space craft, and it would need parts made only by CVD machines, and Mr. Stem Cell machines, and enough mini-nukes and missiles and RDX to choke a legion of horses.

I would make it a vehicle, and have the game calculate how long you would be able to stay alive with the resources you bring.

With some flavor text if you bring enough stuff and people like, “It was a close one when James died during the takeoff and turned, with an epic hand to hand battle in zero-gs, but the colony has grown and safeguards have been put in place to deal with death and the resulting zombificiation. We sit and watch the battered remnants of the human race die out, though some did escape and have joined us. Now the monsters mostly battle with each other, and we hope, we pray, they will destroy themselves and we can rejoin the earth.”