# Wide Wheels nerf?

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [September 6, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942 "2013-09-06T00:22:29Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 16\
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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/1 "2013-09-06T00:22:29Z")

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Seeing over in the Bunker that apparently someone decided to make Wide Wheels set off traps? It’s getting a fair amount of bad attention.

[http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14.msg44579#msg44579](http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14.msg44579#msg44579)

What’s the story here?

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/2 "2013-09-06T14:58:28Z")

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More like what’s the rationale for having wide wheels not set off traps in the first place? Sounds like a bugfix to me.

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**Author:** ![CIB](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/cib/32/903_2.png) [@CIB](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/CIB)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/3 "2013-09-06T17:06:24Z")

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> [@Kevin Granade](#):
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> More like what’s the rationale for having wide wheels not set off traps in the first place? Sounds like a bugfix to me.

Do regular wheels set off traps?

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/4 "2013-09-06T17:10:15Z")

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Yes, all wheels do, see map.cpp around line 756 in vehproceed() and vehicle::handle\_trap().  
I suspect that when “wide” wheels were added, the trap handling code was testing for the wheel part directly, and wide wheels weren’t added, hence the “wide wheels don’t set off traps” bug, which people have interpreted to be a feature.

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**Author:** ![CIB](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/cib/32/903_2.png) [@CIB](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/CIB)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/5 "2013-09-06T17:29:45Z")

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Ahhh. That makes sense.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/6 "2013-09-06T22:47:28Z")

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Then what is the point of wide wheels? Seriously. What’s the point?

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/7 "2013-09-06T23:02:27Z")

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Um… stronger?

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**Author:** ![Labtop\_215](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@Labtop\_215](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Labtop_215)\
**Post date:** [September 6, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/8 "2013-09-06T23:30:25Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> Then what is the point of wide wheels? Seriously. What’s the point?

I think they handle vehicle weight a little better and give better acceleration.

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**Author:** ![Ian\_Strachan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ian_strachan/32/1003_2.png) [@Ian\_Strachan](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Ian_Strachan)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/9 "2013-09-07T03:02:58Z")

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They have twice as much durability.

Seriously, though; wide wheels are, by definition, bigger than normal wheels. This should make them more likely to set off traps they run over, not less. The fact that they ever didn’t was a bug.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/10 "2013-09-07T03:11:03Z")

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Well, this “bug” made it to the wiki as a point in favor of Wide wheels.

I thought the reasoning was wider contact point reduced pressure. Wasn’t about to argue it.

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**Author:** ![Alcatraz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/alcatraz/32/168_2.png) [@Alcatraz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Alcatraz)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/11 "2013-09-07T15:15:36Z")

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Same here, now I feel they don’t have much use.

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**Author:** ![Iosyn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/iosyn/32/35_2.png) [@Iosyn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Iosyn)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/12 "2013-09-07T16:02:09Z")

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[quote=“Ian Strachan, post:9, topic:2942”]They have twice as much durability.

Seriously, though; wide wheels are, by definition, bigger than normal wheels. This should make them more likely to set off traps they run over, not less. The fact that they ever didn’t was a bug.[/quote]

Depends. Larger, wider wheels give better traction and spread the weight of the vehicle over a larger surface area, thus there’s less weight on any one point than if the same vehicle were to use normal wheels.

Anything based off a tripwire trigger or something like a spiked board trap should effect them (i.e, crossbow, shotgun traps) but I’d still say they should have a smaller chance of setting off a pressure-triggered landmine when compared with normal wheels.

Maybe when biomes are introduced we should be able to go all “ice-road truckers” and fall through ice if you’re driving your mobile home somewhere without wide wheels.

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/13 "2013-09-07T16:28:20Z")

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But they’re WHEELS. If a regular weighted human can set off a trap by just stepping on it, I’m pretty sure a wide wheel on a car can trip a trap.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/14 "2013-09-07T23:15:00Z")

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Seriously people, this was a bug, nothing more, nothing less.  
Although the ice truckers thing is valid, wide wheels will be better for offroading at some point.

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**Author:** ![Alcatraz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/alcatraz/32/168_2.png) [@Alcatraz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Alcatraz)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/15 "2013-09-07T23:49:12Z")

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Time to stop using them!

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**Author:** ![Morrigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Morrigi](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Morrigi)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 7:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wide-wheels-nerf/2942/16 "2013-09-09T07:55:34Z")

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Guys, the mines you see lying around are clearly anti-personnel mines. And last I checked, cars exert far more ground pressure than people do on foot regardless of what kind of tires they have. The whole “It’s a feature!” thing has no basis in logic.