# Who's idea was it to make it so you can only change tabs with... tab?

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [September 11, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553 "2018-09-11T04:14:04Z")\
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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/1 "2018-09-11T04:14:04Z")

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I have no body for this.

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**Author:** ![TheMurderUnicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themurderunicorn/32/5706_2.png) [@TheMurderUnicorn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMurderUnicorn)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/2 "2018-09-11T04:20:31Z")

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What tabs are you talking about? You can use \< and \> to navigate the crafting tabs, at least. I couldn’t really think of any other tabs.

Only tabs I’m aware of that can’t use \< and \> is the modlist section on world creation.

EDIT: Also, shift-tab moves the opposite direction of tab, so it’s perfectly navigable.

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**Author:** ![DeWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeWolf](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeWolf)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/3 "2018-09-11T04:23:58Z")

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I’m am using the latest experimental and for some reason I can only change tabs with the tab button (tab for forward shift+tab for backwards)

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**Author:** ![Demosthenes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/demosthenes/32/3163_2.png) [@Demosthenes](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Demosthenes)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:25am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/4 "2018-09-11T04:25:19Z")

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I think character creation screens are all gibbled now, no \> or\< to move between. To back up is shift+tab

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**Author:** ![TheMurderUnicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themurderunicorn/32/5706_2.png) [@TheMurderUnicorn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMurderUnicorn)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/5 "2018-09-11T04:29:14Z")

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I was out of date and didn’t know it. Just updated to the newest experimental expecting that I’d made an ass out of myself.

BUT, I can still use \< and \>, including on the character creation screens.

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**Author:** ![dpwb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dpwb/32/2609_2.png) [@dpwb](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/dpwb)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/7 "2018-09-11T15:00:28Z")

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Noticed this change recently.  
It takes some getting used to but is more logical.  
I mean, it’s what the tab key is for…

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**Author:** ![veh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/veh/32/3096_2.png) [@veh](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/veh)\
**Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/8 "2018-09-11T20:05:27Z")

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It was frustrating at first but I got used to it pretty quickly.

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**Author:** ![Zhilkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zhilkin/32/3749_2.png) [@Zhilkin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zhilkin)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 6:52am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/9 "2018-09-12T06:52:42Z")

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Also you can remap keys in ? menu.

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**Author:** ![TheMurderUnicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themurderunicorn/32/5706_2.png) [@TheMurderUnicorn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMurderUnicorn)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/10 "2018-09-12T08:51:01Z")

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I’m still confused as to why it doesn’t work for you guys but it works for me. \< and \> still work for me.

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**Author:** ![TheZoneWizard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/thezonewizard/32/1397_2.png) [@TheZoneWizard](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheZoneWizard)\
**Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/11 "2018-09-12T19:59:51Z")

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Can anyone confirm if we can swap key binds for this? I use tab for other features and would really screw stuff up for me =/

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**Author:** ![techincal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ebca7d/32.png) [@techincal](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/techincal)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/12 "2018-09-13T05:35:45Z")

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Worst change since about… ever? Shift+tab is about as fun to press as shift+} or something. There’s a reason I can’t name a single game that uses shit+tab as a default hotkey.

The sheer frustration of going through menus is real.

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**Author:** ![Zhilkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zhilkin/32/3749_2.png) [@Zhilkin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zhilkin)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 7:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/13 "2018-09-13T07:34:34Z")

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BACKTAB is used in most software to move backwards between tabs.

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**Author:** ![TheZoneWizard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/thezonewizard/32/1397_2.png) [@TheZoneWizard](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheZoneWizard)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 7:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/14 "2018-09-18T07:42:38Z")

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Still sucks. I’ve tried it and had the fun of changing every friggin screen to revert this pointless annoying change.

Nobody uses backtabs unless you code. Seriously ask anyone even if they know what it is.

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**Author:** ![Zhilkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zhilkin/32/3749_2.png) [@Zhilkin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zhilkin)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/15 "2018-09-18T12:29:51Z")

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Not it is not pointless and it is not annoying. It was aimed to make key consistent in between various screens. Also you get used to it just like you get used to any other key combination.

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**Author:** ![TheZoneWizard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/thezonewizard/32/1397_2.png) [@TheZoneWizard](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheZoneWizard)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/16 "2018-09-21T12:32:28Z")

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Not likely. It made more sense on the board to keep things separate. Shlogging together everything onto 1 tab makes it less intuitive and pointless in making it less intuitive.

Having main directories move with directionals \<\> and sub-categories with tab/backtab makes more sense. Especially if you are new.

Having 1 button is something I’d expect similar to this:

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**Author:** ![Zhilkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zhilkin/32/3749_2.png) [@Zhilkin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zhilkin)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/whos-idea-was-it-to-make-it-so-you-can-only-change-tabs-with-tab/16553/17 "2018-09-21T15:17:33Z")

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But we don’t have one button - there are TAB and BACKTAB.