What happened to zombie necromancers

[kevin.granade]

The planned buff for necros is to spawn them with a group of regular zombies that follow them around, so that at a minimum they all attack you at once and provide some ressurection fodder for the necro, same with masters. Also they might run from you toward other groups of zombies.

[Isidarth]

Jabberwocks used to be insanely common in the woods; now they are more as intended - the zombie Hulk of the woods. If you can see it, it can probably see you. And it’s faster and stronger than you. Luckily, they are blue-moon rare.

I’ve encountered a few necromancers and yeah, they could use a buff. Maybe decrease the timer on their ability so they can revive zombies before you get to smash them all? As they are now, they just take more hits but are robbed of their power, even when part of a zombie crowd.

[Der_Uberkitten]

Oscillating Carrot has found 5-6 zombie necromancers so far, sometimes just chilling randomly in a house with no other zombies, and sometimes out in the streets, where they are usually accompanied by 6-7 normal zombies. In between the melee one-hitting and corpse-smashing, the necromancer has no time to rez them.

So I guess once the player gets a good enough melee skill and weapon, even the planned buff wouldn’t be a challenge?
The hard part is finding a buff for zombie necromancers that won’t fuck up newer/less badass characters too much… Then again, maybe they just could be that powerful. They are supposed to be a freakin necromancer. Just shoot life-force-draining bolts of necromancy at the player… slight overall health loss, slight increase in hunger and thirst, maybe it even heals them? (Of course they could still rez corpses).

Oscillating Carrot/Madi the b.a.m.f. deserves credit for this idea. I am merely a messenger.

[HunterAlpha1]

how about make them virtually unkillable? so that even after you (b)utcher them there is a high chance that they will reconstitute and live to fight again, with each time they resurrect the chance of re-resurrecting decreases, but they get stronger each time.

[Cherry]

You obviously just need to craft a wooden stake, find holy water from a church, and find garlic powder from the grocery store to perform a crucifixion on it.

If the exorcism fails, throw salt grains on the ground and [size=14pt]RUN[/size]

[HunterAlpha1]

[quote=“Cherry, post:22, topic:4356”]You obviously just need to craft a wooden stake, find holy water from a church, and find garlic powder from the grocery store to perform a crucifixion on it.

If the exorcism fails, throw salt grains on the ground and [size=14pt]RUN[/size][/quote]or just add vampires to the game…

[Cherry]

I can’t find a necromancer killing guide on the internet, so I mixed them with vampires and ghosts.

Also, pure vampires would be too silly, like pure werewolves, but…

We should have some kinda blood-sucking monstrosity in our vidya game.
Ah yes, that would be most entertaining.

[HunterAlpha1]

[quote=“Cherry, post:24, topic:4356”]I can’t find a necromancer killing guide on the internet, so I mixed them with vampires and ghosts.

Also, pure vampires would be too silly, like pure werewolves, but…

We should have some kinda blood-sucking monstrosity in our vidya game.
Ah yes, that would be most entertaining.[/quote]again, vampires.

[Cherry]

[Inadequate]

I’m not going to be entertained by anything called ‘the goatsucker’.

[Sarge]

The planned buff for necros is to spawn them with a group of regular zombies that follow them around, so that at a minimum they all attack you at once and provide some ressurection fodder for the necro, same with masters. Also they might run from you toward other groups of zombies.

Please take care with the balancing when you guys do so. I am currently playing with a 5.0 quantity zombie options setting and when a necro is around with 30+ dead zombies that you can’t pulp or butcher yet because you are still fighting the other 20 or so, they can become pretty fucking scary. I have had 2 occasions where they res a handful around you in a single turn while you are trying to control a specific choke point… yeah, nothing lame about that.

You might need to get a little more complex with this one. What worked really nicely on the necro’s part is when they were in the back of a pack meaning that you couldn’t rush them you had to try and take care of at least some of the others first. The point is, you are left with a tough decision. The longer you leave them to try whittle down the pack, the more opportunity you leave the necro to raise the bitches again, but rushing him too early means you might get your ass handed to you while moving through the pack.

Imo, a combination of what you intend to do, with AI for the necro to not run away, but try and dynamically position himself at the back of the pack considering your position every turn would lend more survival time to him and offer him the opportunity to res some of the fallen, while making your decision on how to handle the situation interesting.

[Cherry]

It sounds like you are mostly using melee, but If I were still in the nooby part of the game, I would try a molotov or just lighting their clothes on fires after downing them. Choke points are all the more fun with walls of fire.
You know what, might as well throw the molotov at the Necro himself.

But then again, 5.0 spawn rate isn’t going to give you an easy time walls of fire or not.

[Sarge]

[quote=“Cherry, post:29, topic:4356”]It sounds like you are mostly using melee, but If I were still in the nooby part of the game, I would try a molotov or just lighting their clothes on fires after downing them. Choke points are all the more fun with walls of fire.
You know what, might as well throw the molotov at the Necro himself.

But then again, 5.0 spawn rate isn’t going to give you an easy time walls of fire or not.[/quote]
Indeed, you are quite correct, I am running a melee (unarmed) build and you make a couple of good points, but it shows that you had to strategise to counter and that, imho, should be exactly the point.

[HunterAlpha1]

i still think there needs to be vampires, and not the faggoty kind from twilight, but the evil, bastardly kind from 30 Days Of Night. and maybe make it so that if you get bitten, and don’t cure it quickly enough(antibiotics), you become a vampire. of course, with everyone dead there’s no one to feed on so you don’t get any advantages, but you do die instantly in sunlight.

[Inadequate]

I too think that if there’s one thing the game needs, it’s more instadeath monsters that kill you through obscure and underdocumented mechanics.

Also, homophobic slurs, way to go.

[Der_Uberkitten]

It’s not a bad idea but it would have to make sense. Meaning, it would have to be both explained by lore (scientifically or necromantically or magically or whatever it may be) and well-balanced. E.g. it would have to not be what the above poster is worried about.

Also, I’ve seen the South Park episode dealing with “fag” usage, so I’m not sure how to feel about it when someone uses the word without meaning gay. I don’t say the word myself, but if someone requested of me not to use it cause they felt hurt, I wouldn’t use it… yeesh.

[HunterAlpha1]

what you mean you never kick back of an evening, pour a glass of scotch, and light up a fag?

[Sarge]

I’m a little undecided on vampires… that said, if it was part of the game then using antibiotics to cure it would not cut it for me at all. Maybe to slow down the turning process but a cure would need to be far more involved for me to buy into it.

While I have very little problem with insta-death type scenarior, I have a massive problem with the suggestion that the machanics need to be unerdocumented. I thrive on perma-death games and I formly believe that such a severe way in which you can lose your character should particularly well documented. Don’t confuse ‘challenging’ with ‘underdocumented’, there is a massive difference.

Also, faggoty Twilight vampires are faggoty… unless you are a teenage girl or want to be one.

[Der_Uberkitten]

Agreed with all of the above.

Vampirism is weird. Maybe an artifact could inflict it? This might or might not go away after you throw away the artifact…

[KA101]

Pretty confident one can call out a poorly handled vampire (the Twilight ones got overly-creepy, last I checked–not at all someone I’d want around) without dropping slurs.

As for in-game vampirism, well, seems likely to increase your infection level?