# Wetsuit defence
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787
**Category:** The Garage
**Created:** [August 22, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787 "2013-08-22T11:24:41Z")
**Posts on this page:** 9
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@Iosyn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Iosyn)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/1 "2013-08-22T11:24:41Z")
Neoprene wetsuits, 60 bash 60 cut. Please tell me it’s a bug.
Wetsuits are made of foamed neoprene (there’s gas bubbles in) and are usually 5~7mm thick.
A few milimeters of Foamed neoprene can’t withstand the same punishment as a kevlar vest.
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### Author:  [@detahramet](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/detahramet)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/2 "2013-08-22T15:34:17Z")
Shhhhhhhhhh…
The devs will kind it eventually…
In the mean time…
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### Author:  [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/3 "2013-08-22T18:01:53Z")
Yea that’s absurd, will at least halve the thickness.
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### Author:  [@GlyphGryph](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GlyphGryph)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/4 "2013-08-22T18:56:41Z")
Even half that defense might work for, like, a rugged heavy duty wetsuit intended for caving, but it’s still a bit much for your average dip-in-the-ocean-wetsuit.
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### Author:  [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/5 "2013-08-22T19:24:23Z")
I’ve got a PR up to fix this, [#2604](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/2604).
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### Author:  [@GlyphGryph](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GlyphGryph)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/6 "2013-08-22T19:35:18Z")
Straightforward change - merged.
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### Author:  [@GlyphGryph](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/GlyphGryph)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/7 "2013-08-22T19:36:23Z")
How do wetsuits work right now in the game anyway? Do they just prevent heat loss from water or something?
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### Author:  [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/8 "2013-08-22T19:44:19Z")
> [@GlyphGryph](#):
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> How do wetsuits work right now in the game anyway? Do they just prevent heat loss from water or something?
They count as “water friendly”, which helps to reduce the wet penalty or convert it into a potential bonus instead of a penalty.
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### Author:  [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/wetsuit-defence/2787/9 "2013-08-22T19:45:17Z")
They’re “water friendly”, if you’re only wearing water friendly clothes, the effect of wetness on morale is based on abient temperature, basically if it’s warm it’s a mildly good thing, and if it’s cold it’s bad. Wearing non water friendly clothes means you use the old system where it’s strictly bad.
Wetsuits in particular are quite warm and have extensive coverage.
There’s no special treatment for the wetsuit “water pocket” effect.