Wells

tdjellyman · 2014-02-19T00:20:05.000Z

I’m gonna take a look at the code and see how difficult it would be to add it to the game. The biggest issue is gonna be adding a water table and see how I could do that without it affecting other underground structures.

Zireael · 2014-02-19T08:26:21.000Z

I like the idea.

system · 2014-02-19T14:35:23.000Z

New rock type?

Aquifers are often breached and have tunnels run through them. After they are breached they refill with rains. So I doubt any serious hard coding besides new map tiles.

i2amroy · 2014-02-19T17:21:22.000Z

If you just want to add a “well” that produces water without actually dealing with water table stuff that would probably work as well, and would be fairly easy to add.

tdjellyman · 2014-02-19T18:15:07.000Z

So the well idea was scrapped out right apparently Granade doesn’t want ground water to be in the game at all and will not implement it.

Apparently the zombie virus was spread through ground water and your just some lucky son of a who didn’t drink any tap water or ground water which is why your not apart of the walking dead. Does not explain why toilet water is good though.

Zireael · 2014-02-19T19:05:11.000Z

tdjellyman:

So the well idea was scrapped out right apparently Granade doesn’t want ground water to be in the game at all and will not implement it.

Where does he say he doesn’t want wells?

tdjellyman · 2014-02-19T19:14:35.000Z

Zireael:

Where does he say he doesn’t want wells?

It was about six months ago in developer chat

FunsizeNinja123 · 2014-02-19T20:20:52.000Z

SIX MONTHS AGO

He says.

Iosyn · 2014-02-19T21:30:16.000Z

[quote=“tdjellyman, post:8, topic:5122”]So the well idea was scrapped out right apparently Granade doesn’t want ground water to be in the game at all and will not implement it.

Apparently the zombie virus was spread through ground water and your just some lucky son of a who didn’t drink any tap water or ground water which is why your not apart of the walking dead. Does not explain why toilet water is good though.

Massive spoilerz.

Actually, you’re already infected by day one. The goo only zombifies post-mortem.

Anyway, I support this.
I’m thinking ground water and aquifers would be hard to implement properly until we have Z-levels and would be a bit superfluous right now.
That said, a well using the water_source flag should be good enough for now.
Perhaps some way make them run out after a few uses and refill every few days to simulate ground water refilling it.
Also sewer and well monsters. Ever see the ring?
貞子スパカワイイデス～♥★

Rivet · 2014-02-19T22:12:33.000Z

tdjellyman:

So the well idea was scrapped out right apparently Granade doesn’t want ground water to be in the game at all and will not implement it.

The idea has actually been tossed around before. Neither he nor any of the other developers has expressed any opposition to the idea.

[spoiler]

And as Iosyn said before me, you’re already infected and there’s nothing you can do about it.[/spoiler]

i2amroy · 2014-02-19T23:51:25.000Z

The big thing you do have to be careful with is commonality though, notable because a well would be the same as a river, an endless source of water. Also it wouldn’t be purified clean water that you got out of it (probably slightly better than river water). After we get working power systems it would probably tie into that, since most wells probably run off electric pumps.

tdjellyman · 2014-02-20T04:25:41.000Z

As I wrote originally the idea I was thinking was old school crank and bucket on a rope hauling water. As far as water refilling it daily, a single person would not be able to drain a well in one day, maybe for game purposes you can implement a max level of water drawn in any given amount of time for difficulty purposes.

system · 2014-02-20T05:05:56.000Z

If you just tether the rope you don’t even need that, just stand over the well and pull it up with your hands.

i2amroy · 2014-02-20T05:18:49.000Z

tdjellyman:

As I wrote originally the idea I was thinking was old school crank and bucket on a rope hauling water. As far as water refilling it daily, a single person would not be able to drain a well in one day, maybe for game purposes you can implement a max level of water drawn in any given amount of time for difficulty purposes.

Of course that’s what comes to mind first, but when was the last time you actually saw one of those in east coast america? Most modern wells look something like this:

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HunterAlpha1 · 2014-02-20T05:31:43.000Z

even if you have an old fashioned open top well you definitely want a crank, or at the very least a pulley; even just a horizontal bar positioned over the well helps a lot. on one of my visits to a historical reenactment farm i tried pulling a full bucket of water out of the well with no crank or anything. Christ, was it hard, i damn near threw my back out. now imagine having to do that a dozen times a day. no thanks.

system · 2014-02-20T05:33:42.000Z

A normal bucketful is around 3.785 litres, unless you are in the Sahara desert you ain’t going to need much more then that.

HunterAlpha1 · 2014-02-20T05:42:33.000Z

[quote=“gtaguy, post:19, topic:5122”]A normal bucketful is around 3.785 litres, unless you are in the Sahara desert you ain’t going to need much more then that.[/quote]i disagree.

think of all the things you do all day that require water. bathing, cooking, drinking. now consider that this is the zombie apocalypse, and all the things you did with your garden hose you now have to do with water from your well: coolant for your vehicle, water for your garden and/or animals, as well as other things like washing zed guts off of your equipment and vehicle, not to mention keeping your fire barrels full, and tons of other things.

so yeah, minimizing required muscle power for retrieving water would be a priority.

Zireael · 2014-02-20T08:22:32.000Z

tdjellyman:

As I wrote originally the idea I was thinking was old school crank and bucket on a rope hauling water. As far as water refilling it daily, a single person would not be able to drain a well in one day, maybe for game purposes you can implement a max level of water drawn in any given amount of time for difficulty purposes.

Why not have both the bucket well and the electric well?

Iosyn · 2014-02-20T11:32:12.000Z

Zireael:

[quote=“tdjellyman, post:15, topic:5122”]As I wrote originally the idea I was thinking was old school crank and bucket on a rope hauling water. As far as water refilling it daily, a single person would not be able to drain a well in one day, maybe for game purposes you can implement a max level of water drawn in any given amount of time for difficulty purposes.

Why not have both the bucket well and the electric well?[/quote]

Because you can’t have monsters erupt out of an electric well, obviously.
I dunno actually. Maybe have the electric wells gunk up with mud or pour out horrible gooey brackish water.

Bucket well should also be prone to the same stuff but also prone to strange colours warning you of malicious underground portals and soforth, or CHUDs/sewer snakes etc.

tdjellyman · 2014-02-20T16:09:41.000Z

As far as open face wells they are not as uncommon as you think, many modern day farmers and large property owners have one for emergencies, usually it’s covered though with a metal or wood plate and only sits about 3-6 in. off the ground. Heck I’ve got one at my place for emergencies in case of power and water failures, but then again my house is in the boonies where a power outage or water pump failure might take a week maybe more to repair pending weather conditions.

Also the big reason I wouldn’t want to add electric water pumps is because it would be a massive job for a single person to do by himself especially in a hostile environment. Even without a drill being old old school and digging the well yourself to a 30ft depth you can do it in a week or two if you devote yourself to it, building everything for an electric well your looking at months.

As far as monsters I’ve been mulling around the idea of like mud based slime monsters, mutant leeches, and giant insects that may come out when you haul the bucket up but you could prevent giant insects by covering the top of the well.