Weapon Mod changes

qurvax · 2013-02-21T17:13:40.000Z

Another one tired from ammo-related BS in CDD?

Miloch · 2013-02-22T03:29:14.000Z

In Real Life, in a combat zone, I wore seven 30 round magazines for my M16A2 5.56mm Rifle. They were on the front of my body armor.

n9103 · 2013-02-22T04:01:05.000Z

I’ve worn and carried my share of combat loads, and if you’re saying you always had access to them as easily as one that would’ve been attached as a double mag, you’re full of it.

Miloch · 2013-02-22T05:38:08.000Z

Not as a double mag. The infantry guys in my unit use those too. They are easy to make though. 100 mile an hour tape and two magz.

n9103 · 2013-02-22T18:48:08.000Z

Yep, hence my line about them not being craftable, because duct tape won’t help you a bit with a revolver or a fixed magazine

PS Sorry to hear about you carrying an M16. Always thought it was BS that they didn’t issue M4s for all troops. Hell they don’t even use M16s in Basic or AIT from what I hear.

kevin.granade · 2013-02-22T20:29:17.000Z

Actually the spare mod is a compromise for in-code game infrastructure* and not wanting to go over the line into “firearm equipment simulation game”, having separate magazine items would introduce such issues as having magazines that match your gun and only hold certain rounds, etc…

Basically we aren’t simulating gun operation at the level of detail you’re describing. We can revisit that at some point, I think it’s mostly an issue of figuring out a UI for it that doesn’t make you want to rip your hair out.

*The proposed magazine items would require quite a bit of infrastructure rewrite.

Miloch · 2013-02-23T00:36:23.000Z

Herm. I was thinking it wouldn’t require that much of a rewrite. You wield the magazine like anything else you reload and reload it. When the time comes to reload the gun it should be looking for magazines and not rounds. You swamp the information in the existing magazine for the information in the weapon. A weapon that is magazineless could have a - next to it instead of a + and have it’s capacity reduced to 1 to simulate hand loading rounds into the chamber. Of course, some weapons have internal magazines, such as some shotguns and revolvers of course. I don’t see the huge amount of coding to do this. Mainly I see some copying and pasting and modifying to make work in a new location. We may need a new command to (h)arvest magazines, but it could be used in future farming code too.

kevin.granade · 2013-02-23T06:23:05.000Z

it’s a matter of extent, adding spare magazines required adding the gunmod and some support for it in the reload code. Adding magazines as an object in the game would require updating every piece of code that has anything to do with handling ammunition in the game, including large portions of the inventory code. Yes parts of this would be mechanical replacements, but it’s still a rather large undertaking.

What it boils down to is among the active devs, I seem to be the one most interested in this area, and my enthusiasm for it runs out before making it as far as supporting removable magazines as a first-order object in the game. It’s a “nice to have”, but there are a lot of “must haves” to get out of the way before working on this one.

n9103 · 2013-02-23T13:40:53.000Z

Not to mention it’s come up before and been heavily opposed by a number of players and a few devs.

Mr_Lolz · 2013-02-23T14:27:56.000Z

the need to hoard & carry magazines, and removing the ability to load single rounds directly, would be a nice nerf for guns.

qurvax · 2013-02-23T19:28:57.000Z

I think there was only one “opposing” troll. Dev reasons are pure technical, because of heavy rewrite required to handle things more realistically. At least we have drinks mixing and socks

n9103 · 2013-02-24T04:08:12.000Z

Apparently I’m a troll, or you should refresh your memory of the threads in question.

qurvax · 2013-02-24T09:39:11.000Z

No, not you. Maybe i should. Sorry, wasn’t mean to be rude.

Miloch · 2013-02-24T12:03:02.000Z

I think you have some trollish qualities. n9103

n9103 · 2013-02-24T18:46:50.000Z

Using sarcasm and having an opposing blunt viewpoint gets mistaken for being a troll sometimes.

Miloch · 2013-02-25T03:19:02.000Z

Or it could just be a trait of trollism…

n9103 · 2013-02-25T07:23:46.000Z

eyeroll whatever you say man.

Miloch · 2013-02-25T08:08:48.000Z

Indeed, I do say.

AseaHeru · 2013-02-27T18:39:24.000Z

I find it a bit odd that you can’t put attachments on crossbows, or at least not the grip or a bayonet, and that you need weapon skill to attach a bayonet to a weapon.

Miloch · 2013-02-28T07:21:00.000Z

The current attachment system is somewhat simplistic in certain respects. I’m hoping it’s one of the things that get’s fleshed out as things are added.