# Vehicle doors should not slow movement

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [December 17, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158 "2016-12-17T21:35:53Z")\
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**Author:** ![Vastin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vastin/32/9912_2.png) [@Vastin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Vastin)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/1 "2016-12-17T21:35:53Z")

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Just a thing that’s been nagging at me for a while.

Opening a car door/hatch should certainly take time, but you are currently penalized for moving through them as if you were walking across a bare frame, taking ~250 ticks to step on and off of them rather than 100.

Given that the car doors only take up a space at all out of technical necessity (really they’re only a few inches wide - not a 1 meter tunnel), you should be able to pass through any standard vehicle door space at normal movement speed rather than suffering the obstructed movement penalty.

This is pretty important given the relative frequency with which you need to fight/dash through these openings when surrounded by zombies.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/2 "2016-12-17T22:30:03Z")

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You need to slow down from running to walking to cross the door.

Allowing full movement speed would imply that you can walk freely on the door, without having to duck or otherwise bend into any position.

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**Author:** ![Vastin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/vastin/32/9912_2.png) [@Vastin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Vastin)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/3 "2016-12-17T22:39:10Z")

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You pay that penalty already moving onto the car seat, which is already twice as slow as normal.

It currently takes 36 seconds (6 turns) to climb from the pavement into your car seat - not counting the time it takes to open the door, which would bring it to 42 seconds. 24 of that is moving from seat to door, because you’re paying the penalty for both actions, the other 12 is for door to street.

Besides, I’ve seen the Dukes of Hazard - boarding a vehicle through the open window of a closed door only takes, like, 2 seconds tops. 😉

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/4 "2016-12-18T01:52:10Z")

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The 6 second thing is arbitrary measurement. Getting too much into it will necessarily lead to weirdness.

Not sure what would be a good way to solve it, but making vehicle doors be as walkable as pavement is not it.

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**Author:** ![KliPeH](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/klipeh/32/11298_2.png) [@KliPeH](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KliPeH)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 8:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/5 "2016-12-18T08:34:16Z")

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> [@Coolthulhu](#):
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> The 6 second thing is arbitrary measurement. Getting too much into it will necessarily lead to weirdness.

You have to admit though, 6 turns? That’s excessive. Can it not be some multiplier of your current movement speed rather than a preset 250/450 point punishment? Moving usually takes a turn and a bit(?), so make entering a car… 3 turns and a half maybe? 160% speed to go through the door and uh, 190% to sit down on the seat? D-does that math check out?

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**Author:** ![StopSignal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/stopsignal/32/1923_2.png) [@StopSignal](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/StopSignal)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/6 "2016-12-18T15:49:57Z")

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I like to think of it as game balancing, even though I don’t know if it is intentional. Being able to always walk into cars easily as knife through butter would be powerful, as most creatures simply get stuck on them, and also some people’s cars are simply impenetrable. Having to spend six turns entering is a good way to make you think a bit your strategy, if you are running away from something. No idea if it is intentional or not, probably not.

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**Author:** ![Logrin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/logrin/32/209_2.png) [@Logrin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Logrin)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/7 "2016-12-21T23:42:20Z")

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Maybe just cover some vehicle parts under parkour as far as movement goes?

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/8 "2016-12-22T03:30:16Z")

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> [@Logrin](#):
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> Maybe just cover some vehicle parts under parkour as far as movement goes?

That’s a good point, love me some jackie chan movies.

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**Author:** ![Logrin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/logrin/32/209_2.png) [@Logrin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Logrin)\
**Post date:** [December 22, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/9 "2016-12-22T21:51:31Z")

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I just think it’s a reasonable, easy solution when somebody makes a point about ‘X person might traverse Y more efficiently than portrayed in game’ (in this case, them Duke boys). Think someone might be able to run down stairs faster? Use parkour to slide down the railing. Cars? Parkour. Rubble? You guessed it.

Essentially as long as it’s merely irregularly shaped terrain that seems to be the solution. Things like swamps, thick foliage or even icy floors (if ever included) present another problem entirely.

Heck, when Z-levels start becoming a priority you could even lay a two by four or ladder across rooftops and try to keep your balance moving across, or even try a running leap.

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**Author:** ![DeclanFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@DeclanFrost](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/DeclanFrost)\
**Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/10 "2016-12-23T01:44:33Z")

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I like the line of thinking about Z-level traversal. Always been a fan of how DF handles that type of movement.  
To make an actual contribution to OP’s topic: how about removing movement penalty when the door and next tile has no roof? You wouldn’t expect convertibles to be hard to get into, parkour or no.

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**Author:** ![pabrams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@pabrams](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pabrams)\
**Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/11 "2016-12-28T23:17:37Z")

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> [@Coolthulhu](#):
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> The 6 second thing is arbitrary measurement.

Then they should not be called “seconds”.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [January 7, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/vehicle-doors-should-not-slow-movement/13158/12 "2018-01-07T19:55:58Z")

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