Unfurn Changes To The Game

[loogie]

They absolutely solve it, they have a significant chance of curing the infection.

That is great, and essentially solves the problem (since they seem fairly easy to find), and to know they do have a chance to cure is great… but it might be worthwhile changing the description of the item, since it basically says “it won’t cure it, but it might slow it down”, which infers a 0% chance to cure

and thanks for the clarification of the “infected” term.

Also, did i read that correctly that first aids are supposed to have a method of curing infection in them?

[Tad]

Expecting people who feel marginalized to be constructive while discussing the very issues that have caused them to feel marginalized in the 1st place is, well, it’s kind of the opposite of what you’re preaching.

Just a thought

[ExecutiveOdin]

I agree about the food preserving. I love building up a base and a stockpile of food during the first year and while I really don’t care that things like flour and jerky can go rotten now I am driven nuts by the massive list of different stacks of flour.
Then last time I played they for whatever reason changed the menu controls. I have played this game so long I run entirely off muscle memory and it was seriously screwing with me and realizing I’d have to alter the controls back manually potentially every time I downloaded again until I saved the controls config I sorta lost enthusiasm.
So I took another break and then checking the forum today I’m seeing even more unfun changes and some red flags. I might just be done.

[kevin.granade]

I am driven nuts by the massive list of different stacks of flour.

Adaptive perishable stacking

Tl;dr perishibles are now bucketed by remaining hours, days, weeks, seasons and years.
Stl;dr perishables that will spoil ‘x years in future’ are grouped together.

[Trigon]

You can always start your own fork and do all the edits you want. I’m kind of sick of the complaints that the people coding are somehow trying to ruin everyone’s fun. It’s poor attitude to give to the people who donate so much time and effort for free. Just my two cents on this topic that I’m rather late to.

[Erk]

Seconding that. I don’t like so many foods being perishable so I just installed the “fewer perishables” mod and voila. No complaints from me. Not only that, but the devs have generally been quite good at either reverting, improving, or making optional any changes that are really unpopular (like the red tint map memory)

[ppanda0421]

@kevin.granade Not sure if this is/was the change causing a strange issue I’m now seeing. Recently I am seeing volumes that go way over the limit in a container. Eg. I have a locker which has a max volume of 2000. Now I see volumes of 6000/2000 in the same locker when the only thing I did was update to the latest experimental version. The volumes were all over the place. Some won’t allow me to go above the 2000 (which is correct for the locker) but other lockers just bypass that limit. In addition the amounts (stacks) look inaccurate so you cannot really see how much stock you have. For example, drop 1k amounts on the ground or to a container. The game converts it in stacks of say 500 (2), but eventually the numbers don’t add up. You only see the precise amounts when you pick them up. Perhaps the new system requires special flags/structures and the old data does not have those flags? Perhaps they were missed during save conversion?

On a more positive note, I really like the change where it gives you a very good idea of when something will expire. It allows you to plan in advance to prep your future food stockpiles.

Edit: I can show pictures or a video if you want to see what the issue is.

[Eastwardrope91]

I remember some of the phrases MiGo’s will says has to do with Kevin if I recall rightly it says “Kevin sacrifices gameplay for realism” I can’t remember the exact quote but I’ve heard them scream that repeatedly as they chased me down killing anything that comes near and as they tear me apart limb by limb. So someone agrees with you not sure where this quote comes from or what but it’s in the game.

[kevin.granade]

This change didn’t add a new system for managing stacking, it only adjusted the test that tells the code when two things should stack.

Regardless it sounds like a bug from what you describe, please open an issue.

[Trigon]

I think that’s part of Crazy cataclysm and it’s shocker zombies. For the memes.

[anonanon]

I don’t like how picky they are
they nerfed my spears the tool that was made because it was fast strong had reach didn’t take much training and was quick in battle was made weak super slow and fragile
they don’t really want realism they just hate anything that makes the game any easier

[anonanon]

plague nymphs are like zombie roaches basicly it goes fresh food>rotten food>plague nymphs>roach stones>roaches>wolf spiders

[anonanon]

a part of it is that it takes away sections of the game one of the older more beloved scenarios is really bad day but with the changes to medkits it went from really challenging but possible to pure luck draw either it clears on its own or you die nothing you do has any real effect even perfect luck with finding supplies can’t help
as for plague nymphswhen something is left to rot eventually it explodes into violent cockroaches which spawn more stuff that when that rots makes spiders so if anything is left to rot spiders inherit it and you can’t come back meaning burn it or avoid forever further tedium

[Tamior]

a part of it is that it takes away sections of the game one of the older more beloved scenarios is really bad day but with the changes to medkits it went from really challenging but possible to pure luck draw either it clears on its own or you die nothing you do has any real effect even perfect luck with finding supplies can’t help

I’ve done plenty of starts with “infected” scenario lately.
Finding antibiotics is very much doable even in 0.01 item spawn world. You just have to know where and how to look.

[anonanon]

yes and that was usually the fun of it even if atreyupan was the goal it’s still possible but antibiotics just don’t do enough to stop instant death from the infection it’s fun to try to rush areas you shouldn’t for resources or seach just right and get lucky but if it will just come down to a dice roll in the background where your actions mean little then that’s no fun

[Tamior]

yes and that was usually the fun of it even if atreyupan was the goal it’s still possible but antibiotics just don’t do enough to stop instant death from the infection it’s fun to try to rush areas you shouldn’t for resources or seach just right and get lucky but if it will just come down to a dice roll in the background where your actions mean little then that’s no fun

Antibiotics work just fine for me, never been in a situation where I found antibiotics before the last stage of infection and they failed to work (eventually).
Please describe what exactly is it that you do that antibiotics fail to work?

[Trigon]

Kevin already said medkits not treating infection is a bug, so that’s a moot point when talking about coders intentionally sabotaging fun.

Additionally, the nerf to the knife spear was somewhat warranted since it was stronger than any other early game weapon by a huge margin given its range, speed, and damage. Plus it could be crafted within the first five minutes with no skill out of literal garbage. It made crafting any other weapon pointless until you got forging set up. This basically compounded to create a massive difficulty jump later in the game when the knife spear stopped being the end all be all to combat.

TLDR knife spear borked the actual difficulty curve because it meant players only learned to fight with it and were unable to cope with later game difficulty and enemies that couldn’t be kited.

[Tamior]

Kevin already said medkits not treating infection is a bug

Err, what?
Non of components of a medkit should treat infections.
Bite wounds — sure. But not full-blown infections.

[Trigon]

You’re correct Tamior. I had conflated the two since there was a bug of medkits not curing bites and I thought that was being referenced. 4AM and no coffee yet. Ugh.

To correct my point. RBD is supposed to be extremely difficult. A full blown infection is something that could only be cured by antibiotics or the natural actions of the body. Or CDDA magic like royal jelly or nanites. The constant complaints that it’s now too hard or takes zero skill and pure luck is fairly silly. Plenty of highly skilled players can push their survival until they find antibiotics. Pretty sure most survivors can make it a couple of days before they actually die from infection.

[Tamior]

To be fair, without finding some antibiotics you are effectively dead 16 hours after the start of the game.
Not exactly a couple of days.
But you CAN do lots of things within those 16 hours.