Understanding damage types

[Muaddib]

blablabla armchair military history talk

No offense mate, but I think that actual history (as in the stories of people that used spears everyday as part of their survive-or-die job) shows you’re completely wrong.

[terrachronos]

[quote=“terrachronos, post:31, topic:8441”]blablabla armchair military history talk

No offense mate, but I think that actual history (as in the stories of people that used spears everyday as part of their survive-or-die job) shows you’re completely wrong.[/quote]

It’s not armchair military history talk. You clearly didn’t read(just the last sentence doesn’t count) or you don’t understand the concept of physics, as the vast majority of the content is actually rather simple physics.
And grabbing a spear by the end makes it much harder to handle, that’s a simple fact.

On a side note: No offence mate does not work if from the very outset your post is offensive. Just like it doesn’t work when you say sorry right after hitting someone in the face.

[Jarlaxle]

[quote=“terrachronos, post:31, topic:8441”]blablabla armchair military history talk

No offense mate, but I think that actual history (as in the stories of people that used spears everyday as part of their survive-or-die job) shows you’re completely wrong.[/quote]

Ok I did lol, like literally, but come one man, lets people express themselves.
He brought up some good food for thought, so yeah. Drunk posting in the mornings FTW!

[dovla]

[quote=“Muaddib, post:32, topic:8441”][quote=“terrachronos, post:31, topic:8441”]blablabla armchair military history talk

No offense mate, but I think that actual history (as in the stories of people that used spears everyday as part of their survive-or-die job) shows you’re completely wrong.[/quote]

It’s not armchair military history talk. You clearly didn’t read(just the last sentence doesn’t count) or you don’t understand the concept of physics, as the vast majority of the content is actually rather simple physics.[/quote]
It is indeed basic physics that you’re misinterpreting here. The energy isn’t “lost” to warping. it is simply stored in the spring and re-released once the spear straightens (provided it doesn’t break).

As for handling, any spear that doesn’t have a very heavy top (i.e. isn’t a halberd or the like) is actually quite easy to handle when you grip it quarter of the way from the blunt end and lean it against your elbow (along your forearm) and use it primarily for thrusting.

For fancier moves require better training, google chinese spear techniques to see what you can do with one.

[iceball3]

Also, zweihanders can be gripped half-handled if you have gauntlets or some other hand protection, if i recall correctly. This would make them also somewhat viable in poinr-blank range.

[Datanazush]

Also, zweihanders can be gripped half-handled if you have gauntlets or some other hand protection, if i recall correctly. This would make them also somewhat viable in poinr-blank range.

It’s fairly common for a rather large number of greatsword types to not be sharpened all the way up the blade. It’s meant for just this purpose, and also to grab the blade end and crush someones helmet with the pommel.

[Ivefan]

Also, zweihanders can be gripped half-handled if you have gauntlets or some other hand protection, if i recall correctly. This would make them also somewhat viable in poinr-blank range.

I went to a practice with twohander in a german style and learned that pommel and hilt attacks are perfectly viable, that most attacks are from above or an undercut and that the basic stance easy turns the sword into a full body parry by holding the handle by your head and letting the blade follow your side downwards at your shoulder.

[Datanazush]

[quote=“iceball3, post:36, topic:8441”]Also, zweihanders can be gripped half-handled if you have gauntlets or some other hand protection, if i recall correctly. This would make them also somewhat viable in poinr-blank range.

I went to a practice with twohander in a german style and learned that pommel and hilt attacks are perfectly viable, that most attacks are from above or an undercut and that the basic stance easy turns the sword into a full body parry by holding the handle by your head and letting the blade follow your side downwards at your shoulder.[/quote]

You hit a dude in the head and there’s a decent chance you’re going to give him a concussion. Pommel strikes are absolutely brutal.

[Muaddib]

[quote=“terrachronos, post:33, topic:8441”]It’s not armchair military history talk. You clearly didn’t read(just the last sentence doesn’t count) or you don’t understand the concept of physics, as the vast majority of the content is actually rather simple physics.
And grabbing a spear by the end makes it much harder to handle, that’s a simple fact.[/quote]

It’s a spear. It’s not a rod that’s two lightyears long. Any kind of (physics) issues with wielding a 1,5-2m long polearm are solved by getting buff and combat training, as mankind has done for probably 10,000 years of spear fighting.

[Sunflash]

and so the forums rediscover one of the great limitations of ascii type games. you can only cram so much into one square before SOMETHING breaks.

[system]

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[Muaddib]

The gaming world would be a better place if everyone watched Lindybeige…

pops monocle in eyesocket and drinks a 55-litre gallon drum of tea

LINDY~BEIGE!

[Burnt_Earth]

I’m okay with polearm type weapons working like the bullwhip does now. Maybe with swinging weapons, like whatever samurai-horse-killing swords and halberds and the sort, you have a damage bonus to further targets because they’d be in the power arc of the swing, but it’d have an to-hit penalty, while the reverse might be true for a spear-type weapon.

Also I think NPCs at least should be able to grab your stupid pike at the end and take it away from you because that’s what would happen if you’re not packed into a formation of people wielding pikes.

[FrankyPlaysGames]

What if you can activate a spear for thrusting? It could create something akin to a vehicle in front of you that you have to “push” into the zombie

[Barhandar]

What if you can activate a spear for thrusting? It could create something akin to a vehicle in front of you that you have to “push” into the zombie

That is an…unorthodox way of doing it, and also misses the lack of “facing” most everything but vehicles have.

Also I think NPCs at least should be able to grab your stupid pike at the end and take it away from you because that’s what would happen if you’re not packed into a formation of people wielding pikes.

Spears and pikes already have way too much downsides - they’re weak, they get stuck all the time with very unnoticeable message in the log (because of some genius just dumping it instead of messaging), and they’re missing the primary advantage real-life polearms have, reach, because of lack of dedicated “attack” button.

Speaking of which, bullwhip is annoying, but what difficulties lie in making a fake new weapon type that is ranged, but takes its (hidden for the player) ranged damage values from the cutting and bashing damages of the item for purposes of calculation compatibility, and doesn’t cause the item to be dropped or modified (unless it got stuck)? That would essentially make polearms have reach without stuffing them into clunky ranged type with all the UI issues.

[Bradley364]

[quote=“Rookie, post:42, topic:8441”]The gaming world would be a better place if everyone watched Lindybeige…

pops monocle in eyesocket and drinks a 55-litre gallon drum of tea

LINDY~BEIGE![/quote]

Love me some 'Beige. Hes a wonderful content creator!

[chevil]

Also I think NPCs at least should be able to grab your stupid pike at the end and take it away from you because that’s what would happen if you’re not packed into a formation of people wielding pikes.

There are no 4 meter long pikes in cata yet. I would like to see you try to take a spear or a awl pike from me it would be a fun experience.

If spears had a reach attack I would consider using them. THIS IS A GOOD IDEA

[Closet_Pankin]

[quote=“FunsizeNinja123, post:4, topic:8441”]Attack time, bashing, cutting (Don’t ever look at piercing stats, they’re not in yet), weight, and volume are what you should be looking at.

The fire axe has great cutting and bashing, but is heavy, has a high volume, and has a slow attack time.

The weapons in the Historical weapons-smith are actually better than the fire axe, just wait until you craft them and test them out in the field.[/quote]

A broadsword with decent melee/cutting skill is truly a weapon fit for a king. I mean that somewhat literally as well - it’s fast, accurate and does high damage. Bonus points if you make it into a firebrand!

[Arkenstone]

I think it is ultimately a matter of balancing, yes. Regardless of “realism”, what would make the weapon paths viable and interesting paths to follow?

[Coolthulhu]

I think it is ultimately a matter of balancing, yes. Regardless of “realism”, what would make the weapon paths viable and interesting paths to follow?

Removing weapons getting stuck mechanics. It only nerfs bad weapons further into badness and does absolutely nothing to the really good weapons.