# Torso encumbrance penalty
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481
**Category:** The Garage
**Created:** [September 29, 2014, 10:54am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481 "2014-09-29T10:54:01Z")
**Posts on this page:** 7
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### Author:  [@ChristopherWalken](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ChristopherWalken)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2014, 10:54am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481/1 "2014-09-29T10:54:01Z")
I get encumbrance penalties in somewhat odd situations. For example “Army jacket” + “Kevlar Vest”, gives you an extra point of encumbrance on top of whatever you get from the two items being fitted or not.
I think it’s a bit odd, especially when the Vest’s description even says “Suitable for wearing under clothing”. Interestingly enough, the vest does not add penalties when used in conjunction with any of the “close to the skin” items.
Is this intentional?
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### Author:  [@charcharmunro](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/charcharmunro)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2014, 11:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481/2 "2014-09-29T11:16:29Z")
I’m not entirely clear on how it works, but there are sort of… “Slots” to each area, perhaps? And vests and army jackets take up the same slot. This is why you can wear a trenchcoat over an army jacket as well as a runner pack with no encumbrance, but trying to wear two trenchcoats or two bags or two jackets or a jacket and a vest makes things go all nutty.
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### Author:  [@ChristopherWalken](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ChristopherWalken)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2014, 11:27am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481/3 "2014-09-29T11:27:59Z")
That’s how it works as far as I know, but maybe the vest should use the same slot as compression tops and the like?
I guess it would depend on what kind of vest it is too, given that it has zero storage and its description, I think it’s the standard civilian vest that you can hide under clothes
As opposed to army/police style combat vests that are worn over fatigues and usually have pockets/straps/etc.
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### Author:  [@X-PLODE](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/X-PLODE)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2014, 12:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481/4 "2014-09-29T12:07:38Z")
Blame the guy who stacked 2 trenchcoats and proceeded to annihilate hulks and turrets without getting a scratch on him.
Also the -50% armor reduction.
Encumbrance and armor make little sense now.
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### Author:  [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2014, 9:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481/5 "2014-09-29T21:30:11Z")
There’s different layers (under, normal, over, and belted IIRC) and each one will only cause layer stacking encumbrance with things that are in the same layer as it. What layer things are in is listed in their descriptions, if it doesn’t say anything that means it is in the normal layer.
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### Author:  [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481/6 "2014-09-30T15:21:37Z")
That particular pairing seems a bit odd, will try to remember to take a look.
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### Author:  [@ChristopherWalken](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ChristopherWalken)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2014, 3:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/torso-encumbrance-penalty/7481/7 "2014-09-30T15:52:54Z")
> [@Kevin Granade](#):
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> That particular pairing seems a bit odd, will try to remember to take a look.
Thanks.