# Tips, Tricks, and Newb Questions!

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [January 3, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42 "2013-01-03T03:04:39Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Thwap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4af34b/32.png) [@Thwap](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Thwap)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 6:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5142 "2014-11-07T06:17:35Z")

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Holy hell are triffids ever good eating. Why would I ever go down and destroy the heart? I’m filling the Atomic Death Wagon to the ceiling with dehydrated vegetables.

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**Author:** ![jokermatt999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9bcb4/32.png) [@jokermatt999](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/jokermatt999)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 6:25am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5143 "2014-11-07T06:25:55Z")

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You’ll destroy that heart after it shoots trees through your nice death wagon and turns it into scrap. Never drive near a Triffid Queen, they’re horrible for that.

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**Author:** ![Thwap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4af34b/32.png) [@Thwap](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Thwap)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 6:28am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5144 "2014-11-07T06:28:11Z")

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Oh indeed, I park some ways off and go in on foot, and always bring real firepower.

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**Author:** ![Clol7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Clol7](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Clol7)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 8:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5145 "2014-11-07T08:23:58Z")

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If I may ask a question unrelated to actual gameplay…

When was 0.1 released, as that is when I first found the game, and I have no idea when that was.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 8:33am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5146 "2014-11-07T08:33:44Z")

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[quote=“Clol7, post:5145, topic:42”]If I may ask a question unrelated to actual gameplay…

When was 0.1 released, as that is when I first found the game, and I have no idea when that was.[/quote]

[26th Feb, 2013](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/releases).

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**Author:** ![Arek\_PL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b77776/32.png) [@Arek\_PL](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Arek_PL)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 10:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5147 "2014-11-07T10:49:19Z")

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plant marrow and fluid sac are good for eating but plant marrow is not too good as food source

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**Author:** ![Aravhorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/aravhorn/32/260_2.png) [@Aravhorn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Aravhorn)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5148 "2014-11-07T18:35:43Z")

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A completely random (and probably pointless) question: If I use rubber gloves and boots during a melee fight with a shocker, will it actually change anything? I mean, 80% of the shocker melee attacks are shock based (AFAIK), so shouldn’t rubber block off some of the damage from said attacks?

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**Author:** ![Sunflash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Sunflash](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Sunflash)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5149 "2014-11-07T19:07:37Z")

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> [@Aravhorn](#):
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> A completely random (and probably pointless) question: If I use rubber gloves and boots during a melee fight with a shocker, will it actually change anything? I mean, 80% of the shocker melee attacks are shock based (AFAIK), so shouldn’t rubber block off some of the damage from said attacks?

Not yet that I’m aware of. There was a conversation thread about it a while back, and I think its being looked into as some sort of ‘minor reduction’; but they may have tossed that out the window, I 'unno.

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**Author:** ![i2amroy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/i2amroy/32/909_2.png) [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 8:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5150 "2014-11-07T20:06:04Z")

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It’s something that we (or at least I :P) plan on doing, but it’s not going to go in before .B with the feature freeze that just hit.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [November 7, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5151 "2014-11-07T22:50:20Z")

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> [@Aravhorn](#):
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> A completely random (and probably pointless) question: If I use rubber gloves and boots during a melee fight with a shocker, will it actually change anything? I mean, 80% of the shocker melee attacks are shock based (AFAIK), so shouldn’t rubber block off some of the damage from said attacks?

No, currently you either have a full protection from electricity or you don’t have any. You can use a non-metal weapon to attack shockers (it has to be fully non-metal like a quarterstaff or tonfa, not just partially like an axe), but to resist their electric blast you need either a bionic or a full-body hazmat suit.  
Their regular melee attacks are totally mundane though. It’s only the sparks and zapback that shock you.

> [@Arek\_PL](#):
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> plant marrow and fluid sac are good for eating but plant marrow is not too good as food source

It dehydrates well (you need 1 marrow or 3 sacs for 1 dehydrated veggy) and can be used in many recipes. There’s also a ton of them just lying around after a fight with triffids.

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**Author:** ![Thwap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4af34b/32.png) [@Thwap](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Thwap)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 2:25am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5152 "2014-11-08T02:25:47Z")

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Guys I think I dun goofed with mutations.

So I’ve decided I’d like Eater of the Dead, so I can eat the dead. To that end I’ve been trying to cross the rat threshold by injecting myself with every rat serum I can find. Except I’m a munchkin so I save scum to avoid anything particularly bad. Oh and along the way I injected a little lizard serum because whatever, but only a few.

Well sometimes I would seem to break the threshold on injections where I got a lot of bad stuff, but not on good ones. So finally I was just like “screw it” and used debug to give myself dozens of rat serums which I began binge-injecting over the course of days in game. Fifty serums later I had a bunch of random reptile mutations and god knows what else but hadn’t seen anything to make me think I’d broken any thresholds.

Point is, I know my save scumming probably threw something off and that’s fine, whatever, I don’t expect the game to be designed around playing this way. I have enough purifier saved up to make myself normal again, so in the future how should I go about crossing the rat threshold and getting EotD?

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5153 "2014-11-08T03:08:38Z")

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[quote=“Thwap, post:5152, topic:42”]Guys I think I dun goofed with mutations.

So I’ve decided I’d like Eater of the Dead, so I can eat the dead. To that end I’ve been trying to cross the rat threshold by injecting myself with every rat serum I can find. Except I’m a munchkin so I save scum to avoid anything particularly bad. Oh and along the way I injected a little lizard serum because whatever, but only a few.

Well sometimes I would seem to break the threshold on injections where I got a lot of bad stuff, but not on good ones. So finally I was just like “screw it” and used debug to give myself dozens of rat serums which I began binge-injecting over the course of days in game. Fifty serums later I had a bunch of random reptile mutations and god knows what else but hadn’t seen anything to make me think I’d broken any thresholds.

Point is, I know my save scumming probably threw something off and that’s fine, whatever, I don’t expect the game to be designed around playing this way. I have enough purifier saved up to make myself normal again, so in the future how should I go about crossing the rat threshold and getting EotD?[/quote]

You wanna be a particular mutant, aim into that category. Five orals and four serums were enough the last time I tested it. What killed your attempt here was the Lizard stuff. Breaching is basically an X in Y where your X is the strength in the chosen category, and Y is your strength in all categories.

Diversification is NOT your friend if you wish to breach the Threshold.

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**Author:** ![Thwap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4af34b/32.png) [@Thwap](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Thwap)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5154 "2014-11-08T03:15:55Z")

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Thanks, looks like I’ve got a miserable purifier binge ahead. 😃

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**Author:** ![Thwap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4af34b/32.png) [@Thwap](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Thwap)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 6:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5155 "2014-11-08T06:46:22Z")

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Once one has EotD, is there any reason to go for Saprovore? It doesn’t seem like it.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 6:48am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5156 "2014-11-08T06:48:16Z")

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> [@Thwap](#):
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> Once one has EotD, is there any reason to go for Saprovore? It doesn’t seem like it.

I don’t think so, and if EATDEAD doesn’t overlap, that needs fixed anyway.

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**Author:** ![Clol7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Clol7](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Clol7)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2014, 11:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5157 "2014-11-08T23:58:58Z")

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So, about ten minutes ago, I got my ranger killed with a tank drone (managed to get it damaged to moderately injured in the process). When I looked at the memorial file, I noticed that I became wanted by the police back in the first day.

I’ve never seen this before, is this new? How do I trigger/avoid triggering it? It is an experimental version (4791c41).

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 12:03am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5158 "2014-11-09T00:03:03Z")

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[quote=“Clol7, post:5157, topic:42”]So, about ten minutes ago, I got my ranger killed with a tank drone (managed to get it damaged to moderately injured in the process). When I looked at the memorial file, I noticed that I became wanted by the police back in the first day.

I’ve never seen this before, is this new? How do I trigger/avoid triggering it? It is an experimental version (4791c41).[/quote]

Eyebot take your picture? That’s usually how that happens.

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**Author:** ![Clol7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Clol7](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Clol7)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5159 "2014-11-09T00:07:52Z")

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I hadn’t encountered an eyebot until the second day, so that wasn’t it…

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**Author:** ![ryvn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/59ef9b/32.png) [@ryvn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ryvn)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5160 "2014-11-09T01:44:57Z")

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Tank drones don’t care if you’re wanted by the police or not, they’ll shoot anything they see on sight, live or undead.

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**Author:** ![Clol7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Clol7](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Clol7)\
**Post date:** [November 9, 2014, 3:05am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/5161 "2014-11-09T03:05:08Z")

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Then what does being wanted by the police do?

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