# Tips, Tricks, and Newb Questions!

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [January 3, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42 "2013-01-03T03:04:39Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Zioko](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zioko/32/307_2.png) [@Zioko](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zioko)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 6:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4882 "2014-10-21T06:37:35Z")

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> [@KA101](#):
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> [quote=“Zioko, post:4880, topic:42”]As a sort of extra thing to my last post- I can’t figure out, for the life of me, how to start a new vehicle. By that, I mean how the fuck do I weld these frames together? I made a folding bicycle- but it was a crafted item. How do I make a vehicle from scratch, or can I?

Get a frame and open the (\*)construction menu. Should be an option to start vehicle construction there.[/quote]  
Woooow. I swear I tried that- I must have overlooked it. Thanks!

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**Author:** ![HunterAlpha1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@HunterAlpha1](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/HunterAlpha1)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 9:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4883 "2014-10-21T09:23:48Z")

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> [@Zioko](#):
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> [quote=“KA101, post:4881, topic:42”][quote=“Zioko, post:4880, topic:42”]As a sort of extra thing to my last post- I can’t figure out, for the life of me, how to start a new vehicle. By that, I mean how the fuck do I weld these frames together? I made a folding bicycle- but it was a crafted item. How do I make a vehicle from scratch, or can I?

Get a frame and open the (\*)construction menu. Should be an option to start vehicle construction there.[/quote]  
Woooow. I swear I tried that- I must have overlooked it. Thanks![/quote]Yeah, crafting menu does not = construction menu 😛

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**Author:** ![jokermatt999](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9bcb4/32.png) [@jokermatt999](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/jokermatt999)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4884 "2014-10-21T15:32:18Z")

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To save others from code searching (and for my future reference), foldable parts:  
Foldable seat  
Foldable light frame  
Cloth roof  
Wheel chair wheel  
Casters  
Foot pedals  
Hand rims  
Wire bike basket  
Controls

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**Author:** ![Raskulle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/raskulle/32/368_2.png) [@Raskulle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Raskulle)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4885 "2014-10-21T17:26:26Z")

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In theory, I can make a foldable golf cart powered by my feet and hands?

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**Author:** ![Caprice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@Caprice](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Caprice)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4886 "2014-10-21T17:49:26Z")

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> [@Coolthulhu](#):
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> You can find a book to get it to 3, but there’s no good way of getting driving from 3 to 4, only actually driving and that levels up the skill very slowly.

The Anarchist’s Guide gets it to four, actually.

Though grinding to 4 from 3 is probably faster than finding one of those.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4887 "2014-10-21T18:07:07Z")

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> [@Raskulle](#):
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> In theory, I can make a foldable golf cart powered by my feet and hands?

Feet or hands.  
A muscle engine currently makes it impossible to install any other engine, including other muscle engines.

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**Author:** ![baldamundo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/baldamundo/32/2859_2.png) [@baldamundo](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/baldamundo)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 6:44pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4888 "2014-10-21T18:44:53Z")

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Some of the clothing items have a tag saying things like “this is worn close to the skin”, “this is the belted layer” or “this is worn over your other clothes”, yet I can still arrange them in any order.

Am I cheating by putting my duffel bag underneath my bulletproof vest? Or does the game automatically treat belted/overcoat as being above others and skin-tight as beneath?

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**Author:** ![TheFlame52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/theflame52/32/247_2.png) [@TheFlame52](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheFlame52)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4889 "2014-10-21T20:20:28Z")

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[quote=“baldamundo, post:4888, topic:42”]Some of the clothing items have a tag saying things like “this is worn close to the skin”, “this is the belted layer” or “this is worn over your other clothes”, yet I can still arrange them in any order.

Am I cheating by putting my duffel bag underneath my bulletproof vest? Or does the game automatically treat belted/overcoat as being above others and skin-tight as beneath?[/quote]  
I’m curious about this too.

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**Author:** ![FunsizeNinja123](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/funsizeninja123/32/118_2.png) [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4890 "2014-10-21T21:03:20Z")

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Game treats said bags as being over said clothes, sorry.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 9:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4891 "2014-10-21T21:45:58Z")

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You sure about this?  
I’m reading player::absorb in player.cpp and there seems to be nothing prioritizing OVER/UNDER/BELTED/other layers over any other.  
Also, from my personal experience it seems that putting trenchcoat and backpack under survivor suit helps a lot.

On a side note, effects of most armor mutations (and also CBMs) are tiny. I’m going to take thin skinned on my next survivor - it’s just 1 cut damage more. Light bones and hollow bones are percentage based and thus possibly devastating, though.

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**Author:** ![TheFlame52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/theflame52/32/247_2.png) [@TheFlame52](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheFlame52)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4892 "2014-10-21T22:32:02Z")

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Is Melchior in labs good for anything besides black boxes?

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**Author:** ![zetim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/aeb1de/32.png) [@zetim](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/zetim)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:03pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4893 "2014-10-21T23:03:14Z")

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Is there an easy way to handle large quantities of water? Specifically speaking I want to store all my clean water in a 55 gallon drum instead of the dozens of gallon jugs I have, but the only way I could figure out how to pour water into the drum was to lift it up and wield it (as the volume it has won’t fit in any bag.) I tried dumping the water out over the barrel, but it only gave me the option to pour the water on the floor.

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:09pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4894 "2014-10-21T23:09:36Z")

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> [@zetim](#):
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> Is there an easy way to handle large quantities of water? Specifically speaking I want to store all my clean water in a 55 gallon drum instead of the dozens of gallon jugs I have, but the only way I could figure out how to pour water into the drum was to lift it up and wield it (as the volume it has won’t fit in any bag.) I tried dumping the water out over the barrel, but it only gave me the option to pour the water on the floor.

There’s an [Issue](https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/9524) on this, but we haven’t received a PR yet.

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**Author:** ![EkarusRyndren](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ekarusryndren/32/80_2.png) [@EkarusRyndren](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/EkarusRyndren)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4895 "2014-10-21T23:14:48Z")

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[quote=“TheFlame52, post:4889, topic:42”][quote=“baldamundo, post:4888, topic:42”]Some of the clothing items have a tag saying things like “this is worn close to the skin”, “this is the belted layer” or “this is worn over your other clothes”, yet I can still arrange them in any order.

Am I cheating by putting my duffel bag underneath my bulletproof vest? Or does the game automatically treat belted/overcoat as being above others and skin-tight as beneath?[/quote]  
I’m curious about this too.[/quote]

In my experience the game seems to prioritize destroying whichever will be most inconveniencing.

I’m also curious about how I will regularly be fighting zeds and loose my boxers before any other clothing, pants included.

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**Author:** ![John\_Candlebury](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/john_candlebury/32/6437_2.png) [@John\_Candlebury](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/John_Candlebury)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:22pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4896 "2014-10-21T23:22:52Z")

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Perhaps cata characters put pants below their knees, you know like cool kids do.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4897 "2014-10-21T23:35:19Z")

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Relayer your clothes (default key: +) so that resistant clothing is outside and backpacks are inside. Don’t think about how it works, it’s pretty much non-euclidean - you can have underwear protect your duffel bags (and I’m not making any sort of an euphemism here).

By default, your clothing is layered in the order you put it on. So if you put on those briefs last, your survivor looks a bit like Superman.  
Damage is processed from the lowest item (the last one you put on) to the highest one, each article of clothing having a chance to work as armor (take a hit and possibly block a part of it) equal to its coverage.

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**Author:** ![Raskulle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/raskulle/32/368_2.png) [@Raskulle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Raskulle)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 1:02am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4898 "2014-10-22T01:02:29Z")

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Too bad my OCD is stronger than my min-max urge.

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**Author:** ![Arek\_PL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b77776/32.png) [@Arek\_PL](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Arek_PL)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4899 "2014-10-22T14:58:42Z")

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[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:4897, topic:42”]Relayer your clothes (default key: +) so that resistant clothing is outside and backpacks are inside. Don’t think about how it works, it’s pretty much non-euclidean - you can have underwear protect your duffel bags (and I’m not making any sort of an euphemism here).

By default, your clothing is layered in the order you put it on. So if you put on those briefs last, your survivor looks a bit like Superman.  
Damage is processed from the lowest item (the last one you put on) to the highest one, each article of clothing having a chance to work as armor (take a hit and possibly block a part of it) equal to its coverage.[/quote]

i still lost my socks before combat boots

alslo my scabad is damaged before my survivor suit

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 3:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4900 "2014-10-23T03:49:23Z")

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Bashing damage can damage items worn below other items, as long as they don’t stop all the damage. Cutting damage can only do so when it also damages all the items above.

So being bashed around by a hulk can damage your stuff worn under heavy armor.

Oh, and for items that aren’t sturdy (“can take a lot of punishment” or something like that), there’s an additional flat 2% chance that they get damaged every time they absorb a hit, even if it’s 0 damage by then. Socks have 100% coverage, so they get full 2% chance to get damaged every time your feet are bashed. Dogs and children often hit legs because they’re smaller than you. Also, this 2% chance is repeated for cutting damage, but once again - items can be cut only if all the items above them are cut.

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**Author:** ![Arek\_PL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b77776/32.png) [@Arek\_PL](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Arek_PL)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 9:57am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tips-tricks-and-newb-questions/42/4901 "2014-10-23T09:57:10Z")

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[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:4900, topic:42”]Bashing damage can damage items worn below other items, as long as they don’t stop all the damage. Cutting damage can only do so when it also damages all the items above.

So being bashed around by a hulk can damage your stuff worn under heavy armor.

Oh, and for items that aren’t sturdy (“can take a lot of punishment” or something like that), there’s an additional flat 2% chance that they get damaged every time they absorb a hit, even if it’s 0 damage by then. Socks have 100% coverage, so they get full 2% chance to get damaged every time your feet are bashed. Dogs and children often hit legs because they’re smaller than you. Also, this 2% chance is repeated for cutting damage, but once again - items can be cut only if all the items above them are cut.[/quote]

this explain everything

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