# TIlling soil manually is probably too easy

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [September 15, 2019, 6:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337 "2019-09-15T06:37:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![Paul\_Blay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/paul_blay/32/6803_2.png) [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/1 "2019-09-15T06:37:57Z")

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So I noticed that with a hoe (or presumably shovel) it takes game-time seconds to till a tile of soil and seems to drain no more stamina than walking. That feels quite a bit too good to be true in comparison to my limited real life experiences in the (hah) field.

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**Author:** ![Trigon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/trigon/32/2668_2.png) [@Trigon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Trigon)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 7:50am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/2 "2019-09-15T07:50:58Z")

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The hoe is very fast. It’s far, far slower with a shovel.

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**Author:** ![Paul\_Blay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/paul_blay/32/6803_2.png) [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 10:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/3 "2019-09-15T10:01:59Z")

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Hoe is OP, got it. 😛

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**Author:** ![Ragno](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ragno/32/5935_2.png) [@Ragno](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Ragno)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/4 "2019-09-15T16:26:22Z")

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if you have practice, its the same as in real life, although it depends on the soil too…

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**Author:** ![Paul\_Blay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/paul_blay/32/6803_2.png) [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/5 "2019-09-15T16:30:31Z")

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Wait. It turns out that the shovel is exactly as fast as the hoe. I’ve been lied to!

Also, I’m pretty sure that even the most practised hoe’er will take more than 2 seconds to do one square meter of rough turf.

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**Author:** ![Trigon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/trigon/32/2668_2.png) [@Trigon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Trigon)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/6 "2019-09-15T16:49:45Z")

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What? Since when? This must be a new thing, I remember the shovel being super slow.

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**Author:** ![Paul\_Blay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/paul_blay/32/6803_2.png) [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/7 "2019-09-15T16:52:53Z")

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Could be a strength thing? I have 16 strength.

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**Author:** ![Ragno](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ragno/32/5935_2.png) [@Ragno](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Ragno)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/8 "2019-09-15T16:53:21Z")

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> [@Paul\_Blay](#):
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> Wait. It turns out that the shovel is exactly as fast as the hoe. I’ve been lied to!
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> Also, I’m pretty sure that even the most practised hoe’er will take more than 2 seconds to do one square meter of rough turf.

Ohhh i see the issue now, thats real fast…, even more if you assume that 1 tile is at least 1 meter

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**Author:** ![dpwb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dpwb/32/2609_2.png) [@dpwb](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/dpwb)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/9 "2019-09-15T18:46:23Z")

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Are you playing latest experimental?

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**Author:** ![Trigon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/trigon/32/2668_2.png) [@Trigon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Trigon)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/10 "2019-09-15T18:55:12Z")

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I just tried it out in build 9620 and Paul is right. It took me two seconds to till some ground with an entrenching tool and three seconds to till it with a hoe.

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**Author:** ![dpwb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/dpwb/32/2609_2.png) [@dpwb](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/dpwb)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/11 "2019-09-15T18:56:38Z")

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Hm.

```
    if( g->m.has_flag( "PLOWABLE", pnt ) && !g->m.has_flag( "PLANT", pnt ) ) {
    p->add_msg_if_player( _( "You start churning up the earth here." ) );
    p->assign_activity( activity_id( "ACT_CHURN" ), to_turns<int>( 3_minutes ),
                        -1, p->get_item_position( it ) );

```

Should take 3 minutes per tile.  
Something odd is happening.

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**Author:** ![Paul\_Blay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/paul_blay/32/6803_2.png) [@Paul\_Blay](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Paul_Blay)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/12 "2019-09-16T02:23:33Z")

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[quote=“dpwb, post:11, topic:21337”]  
Should take 3 minutes per tile.  
Something odd is happening.[/quote]  
I don’t remember seeing that message in the log. Just BAM tilled soil.

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**Author:** ![Ragno](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ragno/32/5935_2.png) [@Ragno](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Ragno)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/tilling-soil-manually-is-probably-too-easy/21337/13 "2019-09-16T02:58:37Z")

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I think that was just his commentary on the issue…  
Anyway, in that line of code there isnt anything that is affected by the str stat, so everything is pointing to a possible bug, or an overlook in the conversion of the turns from 6s to 1s