This is ridiculous!

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

Don’t forget, some ordinary .45 ACP rounds are subsonic and cheap IRL

@redxlaser15

Just to mention, this game is NOT based in today’s world. It’s in the future, I don’t think it is a specified amount in the future, but there is working mutagen, crazy bionics, and AI police bots. Either we were visited by aliens recently or chances are this is quite a ways away.

Kevin said that the game is based in the present day, with sci-fi stuff found in labs. From what I heard, Whales Cataclysm was based in the future, and some people have been merging things based on that. I personally like the future start, since it allows developers to create items to fill in the game balance gaps caused by strict adherence to present technology and society.

[darktoes]

Honest to Christ! you’d think I was asking for a rocket to the moon! “it cant be done” YES IT FUCKING CAN. Boards on vehicles are impassable right? yet when you examine them the game recognises that you have various items in that space. Why are walls not the same. still impassable yet smashable. its not fucking difficult.

If it can be done, do it. You clearly don’t understand how difficult a task this would be.

Vehicle tiles ingame are completely different to wall tiles for various reasons, and they’re handled in very different ways. Doing it that way would cause more problems than it would fix.

With traffic noise and other mabient noises the gunshot simply will not reach your ears.

As mentioned, there is no traffic noises and very little for ambient sounds.

Its a bang not an explosion.

It is an explosion, how do you think guns work?

That said, realistically, in Cataclysm DDA it would make some sense for there to be a legit ‘silencer’ by then, and maybe (at least for military grade ones) guns have somehow been changed so they aren’t so loud naturally. Possibly with less kick too.

It’s feasible that new technology could be developed or employed, but the fact is that firing a bullet produces A LOT of hot gas, which has to be released. That produces a lot of flames, noise and kick. Plus you just sent a chunk of lead out at over the speed of sound, so you always have to deal with the sonic boom. Physically speaking, there’s not a whole lot you can do to make a gun quieter or easier to handle.

[Jimbo_Gee81]

Im playing a game that generates zero income? What does that have to do with anything when half the shit in the game is broken? It generates zero income? so people dont get donations? yeah you might wanna re-think that last one because Ill bet my next paycheck they do.

Clearly it doesnt generate sound/physics/anything realisticly because its based on movie references as I have stated about 40 thousand times. buy a loaf of bread and see how many slices you can eat before you stop wanting to eat them. I guarantee you wont make it halfway through the loaf.

Ever seen coolhand luke? the 50 hardboiled egg scene? Impossible in real life. Eggs and bread EXPAND IN YOUR STOMACH that is a solid fact.Yet in this game its an everday action.

I am perfectly calm thank you very much however I do not need a bunch of wikipedia students trying to tell me how sound works. I went to school I understand it perfectly well thanks. But seeing as you want me to break this down for you I am more than happy to do so…

If I drop a penny on a pavement/sidewalk and you are standing next to me you would hear it. it makes a distinct noise. However, were you to be standing three streets away, lets call that distance 500 yards. You wouldnt. unless you had the hearing of a dog. It is exactly the same principle with guns the larger the calibre, the more noise they make thus, the further away that sound can be heard. so firing a normal gun in CDDA should not attract zombies from over 400 tiles away because in reality, they shouldn’t be able to hear it. Should I fire anything larger however(RPG,Minigun,Nuke etc.), it would be a different story.

Clearly the people who deleop this game, while doing a very admirable job are lazy. If you are going to take on a project like this at least make it less annoying to play. If I appear to get angry, its because I am sick of people telling me something cant be done when we all know that translates to “nobody can be bothered”. The game has reached its peak development wise it now needs to be refined into a much better game. The whole electricity thing has me annoyed. Rather than just being able to stick a generator down near a wall and have the game assume im plugged into the mains like the real world, I have to trick the game into thinking im building a fucking car in which I have to put frames down (which I cannot then build anything on top of like a wall/window to stop people entering) couple this with the fact that this whole process makes the tilesets look hideous and messy. And there you have my bone of contention.

[psyxypher]

Eggs and bread EXPAND IN YOUR STOMACH that is a solid fact.Yet in this game its an everday action.

Do you know what an “Acceptable Break from Reality” is?

It is exactly the same principle with guns the larger the calibre, the more noise they make thus, the further away that sound can be heard. so firing a normal gun in CDDA should not attract zombies from over 400 tiles away because in reality, they shouldn’t be able to hear it. Should I fire anything larger however(RPG,Minigun,Nuke etc.), it would be a different story.

What is a “Normal Gun”? Also, as we’ve explained, guns are super loud. 400 tiles is roughly 400 meters, and most guns will generate a loud enough noise that you can hear the explosion over that distance, especially if it’s totally quiet over that distance.

Im playing a game that generates zero income? What does that have to do with anything when half the shit in the game is broken? It generates zero income? so people dont get donations? yeah you might wanna re-think that last one because Ill bet my next paycheck they do.

In order: Yes, the game generates zero income. I think it’s a problem too, but for different reasons. That also means this game is effectively a side project for everyone involved, they can’t devote 100% of their time to this. Third, only you think these things are “broken”. Fourth, no, to my knowledge, there is no Patreon or similar page for this game.

Finally, I’ll take you up on that bet. I’ll take the money in cash, please.

[darktoes]

Im playing a game that generates zero income? What does that have to do with anything when half the shit in the game is broken? It generates zero income? so people dont get donations? yeah you might wanna re-think that last one because Ill bet my next paycheck they do.

The devs make little to nothing. You can set a bounty on Github to give them some money if something is completed, but that’s never been done to my knowledge. They do everything in their spare time as volunteers, so if something is ‘broken’ someone needs to go do it in their own time for free. And that’s assuming it is broken, which nothing you’ve said is.

I’d be happy to take your paycheck via Paypal, assuming Psy is willing to share.

Clearly it doesnt generate sound/physics/anything realisticly because its based on movie references as I have stated about 40 thousand times. buy a loaf of bread and see how many slices you can eat before you stop wanting to eat them. I guarantee you wont make it halfway through the loaf.

It’s not based on movie references and the bread in game isn’t a full loaf, as I mentioned. And it only takes 2-4 slices to fill you in the game. Can’t you read?

Eggs and bread EXPAND IN YOUR STOMACH that is a solid fact.Yet in this game its an everday action.

I’ve never heard of eggs expanding in your stomach, nor could I find anything to support that. It’s not represented in game because it’s not important. You’d be perfectly fine to eat 2 or 3 slices of bread without consequence.

I am perfectly calm thank you very much however I do not need a bunch of wikipedia students trying to tell me how sound works. I went to school I understand it perfectly well thanks.

Clearly not, or we wouldn’t be arguing about being able to hear something louder than a jet engine from a few streets away.

If I drop a penny on a pavement/sidewalk and you are standing next to me you would hear it. it makes a distinct noise. However, were you to be standing three streets away, lets call that distance 500 yards. You wouldnt. unless you had the hearing of a dog. It is exactly the same principle with guns the larger the calibre, the more noise they make thus, the further away that sound can be heard. so firing a normal gun in CDDA should not attract zombies from over 400 tiles away because in reality, they shouldn’t be able to hear it. Should I fire anything larger however(RPG,Minigun,Nuke etc.), it would be a different story.

“Normal gun” is entirely relative. Small calibre guns like a .22 or .38 aren’t very loud and wouldn’t be heard very far away. They can also be easily suppressed. Large calibres like .308 or .50 are VERY loud and can be heard from a VERY long way away, assuming a reasonably clear landscape like the perfectly flat plains and extremely wide roads in Cataclysm. Those are both represented in game and modelled realistically. I don’t know how you’re determining that a zombie can hear a gunshot from 400 tiles away, but you’re clearly doing it wrong. Even hordes should only be able to hear about 200-250 tiles if memory serves.

Clearly the people who deleop this game, while doing a very admirable job are lazy. (Plus the other stuff)

If they’re so lazy then go learn to code and develop the game. Show them how it’s done. Otherwise quit bitching and being wrong or piss off. You’re just making yourself look foolish.

[kevin.granade]

Just FYI, if your feedback can be fairly described as a rant, it has a lot lower chance to be acted on, or even read.
DO:
Be specific about what happened, and what you expected to happen.
DON’T:
Use hyperbole, if your post includes the words “millions” or “miles”, you’re obviously exaggerating.
Use insulting language. If someone says you did something “stupid”, the natural tendency is to stop listening/reading, which is certainly what I did here.

[Zhilkin]

Wow! That’s what I would call ‘bitching’. Almost make me wanna slap you.

[redxlaser15]

-Honestly, I read this thread because it’s funny in a way. Jimbo is wining and crying and complaining like an idiot and insisting he is correct when multiple others prove him wrong. #Hilariousdolt
-I never realized this was in present day time! Man, I wish I could have been one of the people that saw the aliens! What were they they like? Where did they come from? Etc. etc.
-Whether it’s in modern time day or not it still could make sense for in a sci-fi scene that gunshot explosions could be silenced. At least for some of the ‘quieter’ guns. I never use guns myself simply because I like the idea of being as close to being a ninja-crossbower as I can!

[Aluminumfoil]

This was a pretty solid troll. He got me at first, but I only give him 6/10 because he’s trying too hard.

[kuros]

Yeah, I’d give him 5/10. Jumped the shark too early, which left him with nowhere to go. A good trolling would start slow and THEN explode into incoherent anger, and then refute the oppositions points with ad hominem attacks. This one just repeated the same ground over and over, so I’m docking him points for creativity.

On the other hand, he did convincingly drag several people down into the muck for a few days, so I can’t justify a low score.

[kuros]

Oh, I see he started the ad hominem attacks while I was writing up my score. A bit late, though, don’t you think? Dropping my score a point. 4/10.

[kevin.granade]

Yea starting on the abuse is a no, bye.
Edit: yes he’s banned, “congrats” on being the first ban of the new site.

[Litppunk]

I take it he’s banned then. Thanks kev.

[kuros]

That last post of his really just admitted he was trolling for the sake of trolling and asking us to give him the ban that signals the end of his performance.

I’m sure there are psychological studies of trolls out there, but I wonder if anyone has analyzed their narrative structure from the performance perspective?

[VinnysH]

His last post was pretty cringy. No surprise he got the first ban in the new site.

[ribblle]

For the record, his rant was funny and then ya’ll had to provoke him into a boring tirade. You all come off as wankers.

You can see the point in the conversation where he gave up and started trolling.

[Litppunk]

Eh, most of these guys are pretty used to over analyzing critiques because they are usually serious critiques by people that didn’t take the time, or don’t have the knowledge to understand why their critique is largely or entirely invalid. Myself included, in both categories. Trolls are a waste of time for people that are trying to be productive and help with player input separating legitimately good concerns and suggestions from troll crap.

[Zhilkin]

That was not trolling. He just doesn’t like bread (even ingame).

[redxlaser15]

Personally, I only continued because I found it vaguely amusing. But seriously, what’s his issue with bread?

[Mantar]

it still could make sense for in a sci-fi scene that gunshot explosions could be silenced

In the words of Scotty, ye cannae change the laws o’ physics! Though a Hollywood silencer mod might be neat.