# Thermos
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115
**Category:** The Drawing Board
**Created:** [May 12, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115 "2014-05-12T22:50:59Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@Straume21](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Straume21)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2014, 10:50pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/1 "2014-05-12T22:50:59Z")
This is just a simple idea that I think would make the game better:
A type of metal canister that can keep liquids hot for longer than in other containers.
To craft, perhaps just extra metal, or plastic around a metal container?
It seems a little silly to me to store hot coffee and tea in a little plastic bottle, and the heat retention would be a bonus.
If it’s just a simple mug, two units of water/coffee/tea would be reasonable, with just a heavier weight than the plastic bottle, but if it’s a larger thermos, it could hold 6-10 units, like a canteen.
In a quality thermos/mug, a hot liquid can stay hot for almost a whole day.
So it’s really not a big thing, just a small bit of content that I think would be a meaningful addition to the game.
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### Author:  [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/2 "2014-05-12T22:53:05Z")
I likey.
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### Author:  [@Pthalocy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Pthalocy)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/3 "2014-05-12T23:13:17Z")
Given the morale bonus of hot meals, this would have a small, but meaningful impact on gameplay. If I was going to add yet more items to the game (which I feel should not be priority until work on other aspects of the game have progressed further,) it would definitely be this.
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### Author:  [@Blackopsman9999](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Blackopsman9999)
#### Post date: [May 12, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/4 "2014-05-12T23:33:25Z")
I doubt a normal person could make one though… Don’t they use vacuums… which would take more than some more metal?
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### Author:  [@Hibou](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Hibou)
#### Post date: [May 13, 2014, 12:09am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/5 "2014-05-13T00:09:00Z")
Vacuums or high pressure gas, I believe.
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### Author:  [@Straume21](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Straume21)
#### Post date: [May 13, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/6 "2014-05-13T03:43:56Z")
If you’re trying to be really realistic, you could reasonably make one by using a vacutainer or the components of one.
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### Author:  [@Pthalocy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Pthalocy)
#### Post date: [May 13, 2014, 6:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/7 "2014-05-13T06:49:59Z")
Even if it was just double-walled with a space inbetween for insulation, it’d be an improvement. I’ve got travelmugs like that with simple air in between, they don’t make things warm FOREVER but they do extend said temp’s duration. The vacutainer idea would also work for me. I’d considered them a likely candidate for ‘better to find than make’ item anyhow.
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [May 13, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/8 "2014-05-13T22:15:40Z")
> [@Pthalocy](#):
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> Even if it was just double-walled with a space inbetween for insulation, it’d be an improvement. I’ve got travelmugs like that with simple air in between, they don’t make things warm FOREVER but they do extend said temp’s duration. The vacutainer idea would also work for me. I’d considered them a likely candidate for ‘better to find than make’ item anyhow.
Concur.
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### Author:  [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2014, 1:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/9 "2014-05-14T01:37:03Z")
Yep, find not make. We need a few things still for pre cataclysm exclusives
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### Author:  [@kilozombie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kilozombie)
#### Post date: [May 14, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/10 "2014-05-14T15:37:31Z")
If you were to make this, it’d require a very high fabrication skill, a forge, and a good deal of metal, and even then it’d be a “forged thermos” not as effective as one you’d find in a coffee shop or office (both of which make good places to put this item, BTW)
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### Author:  [@Cat09](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Cat09)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/11 "2014-05-19T21:55:24Z")
it wouldn’t be that hard to make a low-quality thermos with some basic insulation and a large can to go with your plastic bottle.
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### Author:  [@Pthalocy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Pthalocy)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/12 "2014-05-19T22:30:38Z")
I’ve made one! It mostly involved cutting up a winter boot with that silver lining inside the boot insulationfluff, a mug with a lid, and a bunch of duct tape. It did not work anywhere near as well as hoped, though for the grade 7 science experiment that it was, it did help a little. Just a little.
Mostly, we had to contend with it smelling like boot in addition to coffee.
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### Author:  [@Inquisitor\_Dust](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Inquisitor_Dust)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/13 "2014-05-20T00:59:02Z")
I’d be totally down for this.
It’s the little thing, y’know?
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### Author:  [@RAM](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/RAM)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/14 "2014-05-20T01:32:52Z")
Making a pressure valve shouldn’t be much harder than making any other precision machinery. Just need something that gets pulled towards the low pressure inside the container and forms a seal. Once you have that you just need a bellows to create low pressure at the valve outside of the container and you should be able to get moderately close to a vacuum. I could see something like that as a high-end craft. On the other hand, an internal combustion engine is not much more complex and those are not craftable… A simple insulated heat-proof bottle should be pretty easy. I am not familiar with nomex but some sort of foam or air layer between two sheets should extend heated time. The problem with air is convection… Although heat-proof containers are also an issue. Putting boiling tea in a plastic bottle is not exactly a perfect plan. I mean, you will probably get away with it, but still…
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### Author:  [@Pthalocy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Pthalocy)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2014, 2:58am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/15 "2014-05-20T02:58:02Z")
Despite all the arguments in favour of a craftable thermos, I really do like Kevin’s point that we need more find-only items. Not sure if this is the best contender but it is a feeling I have.
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### Author:  [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2014, 3:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/16 "2014-05-20T03:01:41Z")
I think it should only be find-able.
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### Author:  [@Zaweri\_Runewright](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zaweri_Runewright)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/17 "2014-05-20T05:12:41Z")
I have made a ghetto thermos. It’s not that hard. “Makeshift thermos” would be a good name for it.
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### Author:  [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2014, 5:21am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/18 "2014-05-20T05:21:45Z")
You make a good point, there’s room for a makeshift thermos, _and_ a found thermos that works much better.
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### Author:  [@Inquisitor\_Dust](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Inquisitor_Dust)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2014, 5:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/19 "2014-05-20T05:34:34Z")
> [@Pthalocy](#):
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> Despite all the arguments in favour of a craftable thermos, I really do like Kevin’s point that we need more find-only items. Not sure if this is the best contender but it is a feeling I have.
I’m totally okay with more find only items as I don’t really get into crafting much when I play. The thermos definitely sounds like something you wouldn’t be crafting after the apocalypse.
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### Author:  [@kilozombie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kilozombie)
#### Post date: [May 20, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/thermos/6115/20 "2014-05-20T15:27:15Z")
So…
1. A makeshift thermos made with a coffee mug, glass cup, etc. as well as something like a boot or lots of rag to insulate and some scrap metal and a welder??
2. A found thermos that is quite incredibly rare but works to keep liquids boiling/fresh for a long time.
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