# The 'V' button lies! I see the cloths with me own two eyes!

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669>\
**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [June 12, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669 "2018-06-12T01:55:16Z")\
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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/1 "2018-06-12T01:55:16Z")

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–You can ‘clearly’ see that there is some clothing, corpses, and various other things around. Yet, the game insists there is not!  
(You might need to zoom in on it) \/ \/ \/

 ![Filter%20lies](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/cataclysmdda/original/2X/6/68550d592aabbee0a5319920d0f3f027af133124.PNG)  
–It says ‘Filter’ rather than ‘Reset,’ meaning that I in no way have a filter on. Lies I tell you! Lies! There is far more than some rocks and a dog corpse to look at!

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**Author:** ![darktoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@darktoes](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/darktoes)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/2 "2018-06-12T02:16:20Z")

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There seems to be a minimum distance on it, since I’ve seen a similar issue where I can happily look at something but it isn’t listed in the nearby menu. Perhaps it has something to do with perception?

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 3:02am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/3 "2018-06-12T03:02:29Z")

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My perception is only 7, so that would make some sense in a ‘realism’ fashion, but in game logic I feel that would just be a stupid function. Besides, you can still 'e’xamine it from a distance, thus it really doesn’t seem to be particularly logical ‘V’ wouldn’t work properly at a distance. _Obviously_, if you sight radius is straight up reduced anyway (Night, for example), then you wouldn’t be able to see what is in the shadows.

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**Author:** ![Litppunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/litppunk/32/409_2.png) [@Litppunk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Litppunk)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/4 "2018-06-12T04:02:05Z")

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should only be distance last I was aware of.

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**Author:** ![TheMurderUnicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themurderunicorn/32/5706_2.png) [@TheMurderUnicorn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMurderUnicorn)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/5 "2018-06-12T04:14:45Z")

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I don’t know why you’re surprised. V is by far the most irritating letter. I’m not surprised it betrayed you, at all.

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 4:39am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/6 "2018-06-12T04:39:37Z")

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–What do you mean by ‘distance last?’ I don’t understand that in the slightest. Is that a reference to the code in the game or something?  
–Why do you say V is the most irritating letter? Do you have specific reasoning, or is it along the lines of favorite colors and such? You know, “13 is the best number,” or “Pink is the worst color.” In my opinion, 13 is my favorite number. Pink isn’t’ strictly the worst, but I’m not fond of it. And no, that has nothing to do with the topic of ‘pink is a girl’s color’ or anything like that. That is a load of crap.  
–Anyway, let’s not go on a tangent about favorite numbers and colors and such. That’s is irrelevant.

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**Author:** ![TheMurderUnicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themurderunicorn/32/5706_2.png) [@TheMurderUnicorn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMurderUnicorn)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 4:47am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/7 "2018-06-12T04:47:40Z")

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o\_o I know it was irrelevant. It was a random ‘joke’.

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**Author:** ![Junknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc348/32.png) [@Junknown](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Junknown)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 7:38am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/8 "2018-06-12T07:38:53Z")

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After a quick check ingame without digging in the code it seems the distance at which items appear while using the “V” command is based off of your Perception and seems to use the formula Distance = Pecpetion \* 2 + 12.

Since your Perception is 7 you should be able to examine items with the “V” command that are within 7 \* 2 + 12 = 26 tiles from you.

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**Author:** ![darktoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@darktoes](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/darktoes)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 8:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/9 "2018-06-12T08:49:42Z")

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Yes! I was right!

It’s probably there because you can examine things but you have to be looking at them specifically, whereas the V menu shows everything in all directions. It’s a little helper so you don’t miss good loot.

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/10 "2018-06-12T12:41:26Z")

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–Okay, that makes some sense! Although I recently got a nasty black eye due to ‘V’ shenanigans. Basically what happened, is that I was fighting a (mini) horde, attracting them one-by-one, and after I killed them all (which was a slow and tedious task) I went using examine and ‘V’ to attempt to pulp them all. I also forgot to set Lu Hook (My super tentacled follower) back to bashing corpses. I missed a brute zombie corpse. Ow.  
–BTW, to mention _why_ I turned off bashing corpses, is because sometimes NPCs will run into a crowd of zombies just to pulp a weak, mundane zombie. In large fights, I set them to either only attack what I attack first, or only attack what you can without moving. So they don’t suicide.

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**Author:** ![Litppunk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/litppunk/32/409_2.png) [@Litppunk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Litppunk)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/11 "2018-06-12T17:03:14Z")

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Yep. That is standard practice for most experienced survivors.

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**Author:** ![TheZoneWizard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/thezonewizard/32/1397_2.png) [@TheZoneWizard](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheZoneWizard)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/12 "2018-06-12T19:10:45Z")

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While I understand not seeing everything on a corpse. I find it rather odd that the code would deem a person so blind(unless actually…blind) as not being able to see the corpse itself accurately, from 20ft away.

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [June 13, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/13 "2018-06-13T03:18:05Z")

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No kidding! “What? No, that’s just a generic lump of dirt! _Obviously_ it’s not a zombie brute corpse soon to rise and attack me!”

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**Author:** ![syler1983](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@syler1983](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/syler1983)\
**Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 8:01am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/14 "2018-06-25T08:01:03Z")

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> distance at which items appear while using the “V” command is based off of your  
> Perception and seems to use the formula Distance = Pecpetion \* 2 + 12.

This do not explain how redxlaser15 are able to see rocks and a dog corpse but aren’t able to see other things on the **same tile**.

Also this vision restriction is kinda weird and pointless, cause you still can e’x’amine tile and see every single item in there. So this restriction is just annoying and have no real impact on gamplay (except player mental exhaustion).

I think this is just another bug in game code. This game has some problems when it comes to counting and identifying items around the player (for example a infinite ‘nearby’ welder bug).

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> This do not explain how redxlaser15 are able to see rocks and a dog corpse but aren’t able to see other things on the **same tile**.

My fault, this things aren’t on the same tile. So Junknown may be right.

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**Author:** ![Azure\_Soul\_Azur](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/azure_soul_azur/32/2835_2.png) [@Azure\_Soul\_Azur](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Azure_Soul_Azur)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/15 "2018-08-09T23:51:29Z")

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Do you have a filter set? Had a problem with forgeting to clear that a few days ago.

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/16 "2018-08-09T23:55:30Z")

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I don’t even know how to do that, so unless the game makes one by default no I do not.

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**Author:** ![ecchi\_squid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ecchi_squid/32/6386_2.png) [@ecchi\_squid](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ecchi_squid)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:55am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/17 "2018-08-10T02:55:04Z")

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I’m sensing a wee bit of butthurt. Not that getting butthurt in the apocalypse isn’t common. #parasites

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**Author:** ![TheMurderUnicorn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/themurderunicorn/32/5706_2.png) [@TheMurderUnicorn](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheMurderUnicorn)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:15am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/18 "2018-08-10T03:15:17Z")

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> [@ecchi\_squid](#):
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> I’m sensing a wee bit of butthurt.

You obviously just wanted to talk about butts. I wish I could downvote your comment.

> [@redxlaser15](#):
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> I don’t even know how to do that, so unless the game makes one by default no I do not.

You set a filter by pressing f when examining items or using the V to see an item list. This is why you never see an item tagged with [f] in itemlists. If you’re examining a pile of items and use f to set a filter, the filter is deleted when you exit the item list.

While using the V command to see items around you, though, the filter is saved. So even if you save and quit, that filter will be there when you log back in.

So it’s possible you’ve bumped f and now have a filter set, which would explain why certain items are not showing up in the itemlist.

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**Author:** ![ecchi\_squid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/ecchi_squid/32/6386_2.png) [@ecchi\_squid](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ecchi_squid)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/19 "2018-08-10T03:19:27Z")

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I will personally note that you downvoted my comment if anyone asks. Your opinion matters. _hugs_

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**Author:** ![redxlaser15](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/redxlaser15/32/1573_2.png) [@redxlaser15](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/redxlaser15)\
**Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-v-button-lies-i-see-the-cloths-with-me-own-two-eyes/15669/20 "2018-08-10T03:42:41Z")

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-I have no clue what you are talking about. Why did you suddenly ask that? I doesn’t seem that relevant.  
-Although that suddenly reminded me of a Let’s Play I once watched where someone thought they were tearing off the tail of a pig. Simply put, it was not the pig’s tail.

-I don’t have a filter set. I already understand the ‘V’ thing, but I didn’t even think about it when you asked. Still no.