# The ugly stat and post-threshold mutants

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987>\
**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [June 4, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987 "2016-06-04T00:46:28Z")\
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**Author:** ![BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/borkborkgoesthecode/32/2343_2.png) [@BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BorkBorkGoesTheCode)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/1 "2016-06-04T00:46:28Z")

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If two post-threshold mutants with the same species meet, do they gross each other out?

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**Author:** ![pisskop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/pisskop/32/1327_2.png) [@pisskop](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pisskop)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/2 "2016-06-04T01:08:03Z")

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> [@BorkBorkGoesTheCode](#):
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> If two post-threshold mutants with the same species meat, do they gross each other out?

Nope. Most mutties have traits that helps with digestion

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/3 "2016-06-04T01:10:10Z")

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Yes  
Almost all NPC interaction code assumes they’re clean and the player is the only one who can get ugly.

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**Author:** ![evilexecutive](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/evilexecutive/32/447_2.png) [@evilexecutive](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/evilexecutive)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/4 "2016-06-04T02:24:14Z")

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[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:3, topic:11987”]Yes  
Almost all NPC interaction code assumes they’re clean and the player is the only one who can get ugly.[/quote]

This somehow implies to me that before the cataclysm, there was a Naziesque purge of all ugly people from the whole of America. Because there’s no ugly people anymore, any sighting of ugly people in the cataclysm must be a HORRIBLE occasion. Obviously they’re totally unnatural.

Praise be to pretty hitler.

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**Author:** ![pisskop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/pisskop/32/1327_2.png) [@pisskop](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/pisskop)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/5 "2016-06-04T02:31:24Z")

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well theres no shortage of fat zombies, smokers, and boomers.

nor waifs.

but then again brutes and tough zeds are pcommon.

and skelingtons.

considering this id say its more or less business as usual, its simply not an implemented feature yet, like most NPC on NPC crime

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**Author:** ![BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/borkborkgoesthecode/32/2343_2.png) [@BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BorkBorkGoesTheCode)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/6 "2016-06-04T02:37:28Z")

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To clarify, it seems post-threshold mutants retain their standards of beauty from their human form and don’t have a major change of taste. So one Slime mutant would think the other was hideous to look at because they are still using human standards of beauty, and the social penalties for ugliness would still apply.

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**Author:** ![BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/borkborkgoesthecode/32/2343_2.png) [@BorkBorkGoesTheCode](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BorkBorkGoesTheCode)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/7 "2016-06-04T02:40:08Z")

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Would it be difficult to make ugliness penalties apply only to the same species?

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**Author:** ![BeerBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@BeerBeer](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/BeerBeer)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 10:18am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/8 "2016-06-04T10:18:07Z")

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So what I’m getting out of this is that zombies are truly equal with each other. No racism, no discrimination. All zombies are equal. Look at them. They don’t fight amongst themselves, with the exception of a hulk, whose behavior is tolerated, because that’s what zombies do - they are pacifists. They are the harbingers of equality and tolerance. You all should feel ashamed for killing them in the thousands, you heartless monsters. You should just stop resisting and let them ravage your flesh.

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**Author:** ![Coolthulhu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/coolthulhu/32/2446_2.png) [@Coolthulhu](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Coolthulhu)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 11:11am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/9 "2016-06-04T11:11:11Z")

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[quote=“evilexecutive, post:4, topic:11987”]This somehow implies to me that before the cataclysm, there was a Naziesque purge of all ugly people from the whole of America. Because there’s no ugly people anymore, any sighting of ugly people in the cataclysm must be a HORRIBLE occasion. Obviously they’re totally unnatural.

Praise be to pretty hitler.[/quote]

Not just ugly people. Pretty people too. And people with bad backs or knees, knowledge of martial arts, weak stomachs, tough feet, parkour skill, cannibalistic tendencies, pacifists, vegetarians, those who don’t like junk food, liars, honest people, insomniacs, heavy sleepers and other horrible non-normal abominations.  
Except for the player character, who escaped the purge by hiding in a shelter/LMOE.

So it’s more like normie hitler.

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**Author:** ![Rot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/rot/32/454_2.png) [@Rot](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Rot)\
**Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:10pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-ugly-stat-and-post-threshold-mutants/11987/10 "2016-06-04T17:10:16Z")

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[quote=“Coolthulhu, post:9, topic:11987”][quote=“evilexecutive, post:4, topic:11987”]This somehow implies to me that before the cataclysm, there was a Naziesque purge of all ugly people from the whole of America. Because there’s no ugly people anymore, any sighting of ugly people in the cataclysm must be a HORRIBLE occasion. Obviously they’re totally unnatural.

Praise be to pretty hitler.[/quote]

Not just ugly people. Pretty people too. And people with bad backs or knees, knowledge of martial arts, weak stomachs, tough feet, parkour skill, cannibalistic tendencies, pacifists, vegetarians, those who don’t like junk food, liars, honest people, insomniacs, heavy sleepers and other horrible non-normal abominations.  
Except for the player character, who escaped the purge by hiding in a shelter/LMOE.

So it’s more like normie hitler.[/quote]

Or maybe the reason why the PC has traits is because it’s a demigod living among humans, waiting for the perfect time to break the chains of normality and become a true legend among the living and dead.  
Because the player started in a empty shelter or residence, save a single NPC is because the PC smited the rest of the living, vaporizing them to dust - leaving one to witness all that is glorious! TO BOW TO THEIR NEW GOD!  
THEN YOU SET OUT TO WRECK HAVOC AMONG THE WASTELAND, TO DESTROY LIVING AND DEAD ALIKE, NO ONE WILL ESCAPE YOUR GRASP, YOUR UNDYING FURY, FOR THAT YOU WILL HAVE ENACTED YOUR REVENGE ON ANYTHING THAT STANDS IN YOUR WAY NO ONE IS SPARED, WOMEN, CHILDREN, LIVING AND DEAD YOU SEE NOTHING BUT HEAPS OF MEAT READY FOR DEATH  
YOU ARE THE ONE, THE ONLY, NO ONE WILL STAND IN YOUR WAY AND YOUR QUEST FOR CHAOS

tl;dr - You are the God of War.