The Courthouse/Town Hall

[i2amroy]

It could help convey to the player on how zombies were created. Perhaps some evidence that slime had seeped into the graves.

Except dead things don’t come back to life if they weren’t infected by the blob before they died. As a matter of fact cemeteries are probably one of the safer places to be in the cataclysm; due to the fact that they had relatively little living people present at any given time on top of their naturally defensive construction with fences around them.

(The other ideas are pretty cool though).

[Wardenn]

Except dead things don’t come back to life if they weren’t infected by the blob before they died.

Yeah true, forgot about that.

Though it would be nice to see evidence on certain coffins that people were buried alive >:)

[pisskop]

They would be staffed like the rest of the game. People who often visited cemeteries would wander there as zombies, and wildlife would spawn there.

Im not against the idea of occultism and such there either. There places have a store of (concrete encased) bodies and seclusion. And a bit of civilization in the form of shelter and buildings and it would theoretically be easy to run a generator inside a crypt.
<.< >.> And if I were to a add a cyborg guarding a stash of weapons, a crypt is where Id do it.

So, small cemeteries would be easy enough. I might add in a ‘decreped headstone’, something old and crumbly. They would be tacked onto cathedrals if I could do so. Or 2 of them could be.
2x3 isnt too much for a cathedral. And spoppy too. Can we add mudmen from RtCW?

2x2s are, as Ive said, smaller well to do cemeteries. This is where I expect to find small churches, and its seclusion would be where I’d expect to also find any cultists. They are back from the city, attatched to smaller cities, and even in the woods.

3x3s are you standard ‘public’ cemeteries. Practical affairs, with perhaps a few masauleums and maybe a large central complex for above mentioned cremated remains and plaques, or anything of the sort.

4x4s are large woodsland cemeteries, the most opulant ones.

5x5s are going to be city-side.

Im going to lay out a 2x2s first. A church, a drive-way, a small dirt path, and some trees along its stone half-wall borders. No real mausaleums, and a reduced number of headstones. Id like to make at least 2 of each kind, so 2 of this and then maybe 1 or 2 ‘old, forgotten’ cemeteries fo 2x2.

Connecticut, where I am, is southern, industrialized NE. We dont get moose, and we have boatloads of old cemeteries and even some civil-war era stuff. Even my city has relocated some early 19th century headstones for display.

120 000 people in my city. And we have a plaque and bell on display on our original town green from well over 100 years ago. We also have some abandoned factories from 40 years ago, so maybe all historical landmarks arent th best ones.

[pisskop]

I tried the XOXO bit.

Gonna have to relook at that.

This is a prototype for the 2x2 cemetery. yes, no?

-The perimeter is a half stone wall.
-The blue # are fence posts. chains will maybe spawn there.
-The building is a little church with a little hatrack and a little font (statue) and and a few benches. The dark n by the window is a stone slab. I could take it out or try to merge that particular item.
-Im holding a cube of debugging, so you wont have that view in-game.
-the trees and shrubs are all randomly generated from a list. 3 different lists, actually. Sounds more intense than it is.

[Rivet]

A resounding yes.

[John_Candlebury]

Layout looks very good!

But i dont think we need that many size variations of cemeteries it’ll probably be enough to have 2x2 and 4x4 as the two sizes. It’ll be better to do thematic variations of them, since otherwise I think they could feel boring to explore.

[Coolthulhu]

I tried the XOXO bit.

You also need to add the auto symbol flag

EDIT: And there should be a “connect_to” field that should help with those weird 1-tile walls that don’t connect to windows.

[ArcanErasmus]

This stuff looks great! I am all for more and more and more building diversity. Would there be the possibility for descriptions or names on the headstones? Like, using the NPC name generator, and a random birth/death date, or something.

[pisskop]

idk.

Signs can have things on them, but as far as I know thats a hardocded attribuite.

[John_Candlebury]

Wouldnt that work?

{ "x": 7, "y": 2, "signage": "Here lies <given_name> <family_name>" },

Assuming you make tombstones a variation of wooden signs.

[pisskop]

This is looking more or less like the final iteration of the cemetery. Ill add in some variation in things like the parking lot and church.

Speaking of the church. Im worried too many coats might spawn inside. Im not a fan.

But here. Its the 3rd (plus 5) day of the apocalypse, and its drizzling out, and I just got done filling up my waterskins in a nearby river, and driving through a city, and theres swamplands all over. A very wet world, and the cemetery is a somber place when wet and foggy.
The shurbbery is all random, based on whatever list. Some of the graves are randomly generated, some are fixtures.

[pisskop]

[quote=“John Candlebury, post:15, topic:11910”]Wouldnt that work?

{ "x": 7, "y": 2, "signage": "Here lies <given_name> <family_name>" },

Assuming you make tombstones a variation of wooden signs.[/quote]
That would work if I was okay with using wooden signs as gravestones.

I could try placing graves on top of signs explicitly, but Im not sure if the original signage would stay. Or if the sign would die. Im fairly sure it would get overwritten.

[pisskop]

As soon as the first one gets approved/doesnt Ill begin on the larger ones.

In the meantime, Ive has a few early game experiences with the ‘religious cemetery’. They are very sparsely populated, if at all, and have the basics to provide for a survivor.

My naked alcoholic self, dragged out of a nearby 2 house city, found a cemetery nearby in the woods. I took shelter inside the church, and while waiting, smashed the benches to make fishing hooks and then a wooden needle.

I then cut up the coats and 2 sheets and crafted socks and footwraps, for the frozen winter ground was murder on my feet.
I made some basic arm/leg warmers, and dressed myself in a cassock. I put on what I found and made enough to keep everything but my head warm. I finished as thre sun came up. Really, the only thing I brought with me was a glowstick. And the rest was provided for. I even made a crowbar before I left, and found 2 steel chains by the entrance leaving.

I hope that the steel chains give later game characters a reason to go. I hear you need around 40 of them to make a tank tread, so a guarentted (mostly, they are 4 50% spawns, iirc) chain or two should attract people to them if they see them.

[mco]

What about a midgame survivor, who doesn’t need both clothes and chains?
Maybe add a tool shed, every cemetery should have one, i guess, even if it’s already full, for maitenance too. A shovel, hammer, lawnmower, stuff like that.
A small(5x5) crypt or mausoleum would be neat. Locked with a metal door or bars, to block newbie survivors. With somewhat decent rich people loot. Fake swords, gold watches, very rarely a CBM. If you could butcher one, it makes sense that it would survive in remains.

[pisskop]

Yea, larger cemeteries will have more buildings.

tbh, the one above is small, even for an out of the way cemetery. A 2x3 or 3x3 would be better. I just cant fit a shack, a church, a drive, and the cemetery itself onto 2x2 with any good aesthetic.

Its functional, and in my opinion reasonable. So.
:o one of the beautiful things about running my own mod is that I can put this into my mod even if it isnt put into the core game. Its a win-win no matter what.

For larger ones, I do want to include a ‘secret’ basement level. Rather, have one have a chance to spawn. Essentially, imagine a small crypt on the surface. Going up to it, theres a stairwell. Underneath, there is a, say 25% weighted chance to have a basement.
Id rig up a 300 weight Pure rock json mapgen, simulating the normal strata. Then I also have a 100 weight ‘basement’, where Id put in things like those manacles or maybe try to put in a dracula reference or something.

[pisskop]

Ive made ‘wrought iron fence and gates and mangled fence’

concerned about what its use is. rustic houses, older state buildings, cemeteries, and parks.

it drops solid metal rods when damaged. after some internal debate and some initial balance testing its a 4 kilogram, 26 damage, 159 moves per attack, brutal strike -2 to hit weapon.

its a somewhat effective weapon, but its also a heavy one.

Ill have to conpare it to a pipe and rebar when i sit down.

[Rama_Tut]

My suggestion is a possibility of one or more crypts spawning. Given that they should be made from thick stone and have metal doors, they’d make a good base of operations. Graveyards should also have a chance of spawning tunnels underneath them. You could re-use the code for the ant’s nests. The tunnels should be full of ghoul-faction NPCs: mutants with lots of troglobite mutations who are probably hostile to non-mutated humans, but possibly neutral or friendly to heavily-mutated players.

[pisskop]

Id be willing to add it, but as like a mod or for a mod.

Thats not typically something we find in NE. Though some older sites might had some accessible undergrounf locations.

Id actually probably want to add the manpigs from darkest dungeon. But ghouls would certainly work, because we can do some level or paralysis.

umm, as far as progress. Im a little sad that sharp and chainfence dont mix. i.e. you cant cut yourself moving along the wrought iron fence. Shame, Id love to hear the stories about impaling yourself.

Ive begun basic layout, starting with placeholder terrains. I typically ‘sketch’ a layout, and then modify it to suit my whims. Takes a little longer, but for something this large I may need to. I also want to keep it modular, which complicates things slightly.

[pisskop]

Got a 6x5 cemetery to gen in game. So far it has nothing more than the back row of graves, a maintainance shack, a road framework, and an entrance. No frills, nothing. A wall, I guess.

[pisskop]

Actually, I would like feedback about the public plague display house.

Umm, you cremate a loved one, and cant quite afford to buy a whole plot (or dont want to, only need a small space, etc. Its pricey when all you have is an urn or even less of a body) so you get a plague made in memorium. This can be safely displayed inside this housing complex, where you can be afforded varying degrees of privacy to talk/visit with them.

Those ‘n’ are slabs of stone. the ‘1’ is a pillar. There are glass walls to view from the outside. This keeps the place safer by reducing vagrancy or vandelism.