# The base life and defending it
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237
**Category:** The Bunker
**Created:** [September 2, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237 "2014-09-02T05:39:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 13
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### Author:  [@FunsizeNinja123](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/FunsizeNinja123)
#### Post date: [October 3, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/41 "2014-10-03T18:57:50Z")
> [@HunterAlpha1](#):
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> Don’t feel bad Arek, you’re not the only one who the CDDA forum has jumped on for bad grammar/spelling, I used to not capitalize the beginning of my sentences and most words, but now I type properly.
And I like you much better for it 🙂
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### Author:  [@ArcanErasmus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ArcanErasmus)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/42 "2014-10-06T03:19:20Z")
I deeply apologize for starting a grammar war. I was high on sleep deprivation and it was the funniest thing I saw all night. I just wanted to share a laugh. Again, much apologies.
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### Author:  [@NoobKid](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NoobKid)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2014, 5:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/43 "2014-10-06T05:49:10Z")
High on sleep deprivation.
Hehe.
He.
Sorry, I thought that was funny.
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### Author:  [@Tineen](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tineen)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2014, 8:35am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/44 "2014-10-06T08:35:53Z")
I’d have to agree that basements are the way forwards, amplified circuits give off enough light to read and craft, are relatively simple to craft and allow a starting character some respite from the world above courtesy of the reality bubble. Doesn’t stop NPC’s spawning in and stealing your stuff. Put your things in crates.
As for Zombears, trap all entrances, windows both outside and inside, they’ll be injured and slow and easily dispatched even for a weak character.
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### Author:  [@NoobKid](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NoobKid)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2014, 12:02pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/45 "2014-10-07T12:02:07Z")
> [@Tineen](#):
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> As for Zombears, trap all entrances, windows both outside and inside, they’ll be injured and slow and easily dispatched even for a weak character.
Not if said weak character is asleep.
Another noob’s tip, never EVER, no matter how sleep-deprived you are, wear noise-cancelling headgear in a base no matter how “safe” it is.
Oh, and how effective are caffeine pills for extended use?
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### Author:  [@Tineen](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tineen)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2014, 1:08pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/46 "2014-10-07T13:08:05Z")
Personally I always sleep with a shotgun, mines called Mitilda.
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### Author:  [@jcd](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/jcd)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/47 "2014-10-07T14:39:25Z")
my trusty katana/broadsword is quite adequate to defend the base from zombears and similar critters.
definitely sleeping without ear plugs, and if weak i prefer basements (making sure they are safe before sleeping in them)
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### Author:  [@Jarlaxle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jarlaxle)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/48 "2014-10-07T16:48:18Z")
If can I get to it I always go to a fire station. Once you murder the previous occupants congratulations you know have a zombie proof above ground retreat. I guess maybe a a hulk could bust through the walls or gates not sure never had it happen.
I have had some pretty successful starts just rushing to a fire station, running in circles throwing rocks at the firefighter zombies inside and than going through the awesome starter loot inside. Armor, usually a Haligan bar or crowbar, and some nice medical books to sift through until night when I can raid surrounding houses.
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### Author:  [@NoobKid](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/NoobKid)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/49 "2014-10-08T04:51:55Z")
I’ve never looked at a fire station closely, even for loot; they always seemed to take a lot more than I get from looting. Though I might just check one out; I’ve always wanted a Halligan bar.
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### Author:  [@ArcanErasmus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/ArcanErasmus)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/50 "2014-10-08T16:17:25Z")
Are Halligan Bars actually worthwhile? They seem to just be heavier crowbars with no statistical bonuses to them. It feels like they should be able to do more. Is there something about them I am missing?
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### Author:  [@jcd](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/jcd)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/51 "2014-10-08T16:31:18Z")
afaik they _are_ just heavier crowbars… (i can’t remember if they have better combat stats though)
otoh, the loot from the fire station includes fire axes, and nomex
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### Author:  [@Jarlaxle](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Jarlaxle)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/52 "2014-10-08T17:14:57Z")
[quote=“jcd, post:51, topic:7237”]afaik they _are_ just heavier crowbars… (i can’t remember if they have better combat stats though)
otoh, the loot from the fire station includes fire axes, and nomex[/quote]
Reinforced, the Halligan bar is rocking bash: 22, cut:5, hit bonus of +2. Takes a 145 moves per attack though so slow. Also in techniques it has Brutal strike and wide strike although not sure how either works I can say from experience when three zombies have you surrounded and strike one but TWO go down, it’s a pretty fantastic feeling. 🙂
Mid to late game I just carry a crowbar because the Halligan bar is pretty heavy, takes up to much volume etc. but in early game when it is a choice of pipe hit with a rock until it resembles a crude crowbar or this bad ass crowbar/hammer looking thing I usually stray on the side of bad ass.
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### Author:  [@Barhandar](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Barhandar)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/the-base-life-and-defending-it/7237/53 "2014-10-08T19:16:47Z")
> [@ArcanErasmus](#):
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> Are Halligan Bars actually worthwhile? They seem to just be heavier crowbars with no statistical bonuses to them. It feels like they should be able to do more. Is there something about them I am missing?
They’re just an option and inferior to crowbar for opening things, and to a proper melee weapon (i.e. a quarterstaff) in damage.
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