# That fireplaces and shelters man... And how they should NOT require a shallow pit

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**Category:** The Garage\
**Created:** [June 18, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/that-fireplaces-and-shelters-man-and-how-they-should-not-require-a-shallow-pit/20431 "2019-06-18T23:39:40Z")\
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**Author:** ![Cybervantyz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/cybervantyz/32/6513_2.png) [@Cybervantyz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Cybervantyz)\
**Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/that-fireplaces-and-shelters-man-and-how-they-should-not-require-a-shallow-pit/20431/1 "2019-06-18T23:39:40Z")

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Long story short, it tooks approximately 7 hours do dig a shallow pit with a digging stick and strength 5 or 6 (which suppose to correctly represent a miniature elegant and physically weak lady).  
Both fireplace and shelter are requiring shallow pits, which are 1m in diameter, 0.30 m deep and 0.25 m3 in volume.  
So…  
First she (that elegant weak lady) should gathers 20 stone, which is already questionable, and then she digs the the heck out 1/4 m3 of dirt for 7 hours, thirsting, starving and freezing in the process, because somewhat _smaller_ pit will _never_ do the job of containing fire from a couple of sticks.  
And then she should dig out another 1/4 m3 of dirt for 7 hours just to get some twigs above her head.  
Does that seem right? I personally think not.  
Even weakest person should be able to _not_ be a freaking industrial excavator in order to survive.  
Fireplace and shelter recipes should perhaps require just a digging tool and and a little bit of extra time instead of a huge freaking pit 1m in diameter.

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**Author:** ![Fris0uman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/fris0uman/32/8607_2.png) [@Fris0uman](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Fris0uman)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:28am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/that-fireplaces-and-shelters-man-and-how-they-should-not-require-a-shallow-pit/20431/2 "2019-06-21T11:28:51Z")

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Where do you get those dimension from?  
Also you (someone) could add a `very shallow pit` that’s easier to dig and use that instead in the recipes.

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**Author:** ![Trigon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/trigon/32/2668_2.png) [@Trigon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Trigon)\
**Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/that-fireplaces-and-shelters-man-and-how-they-should-not-require-a-shallow-pit/20431/3 "2019-06-21T17:22:29Z")

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What version is this? The change in turn time has caused some wonky effects across the board.

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**Author:** ![Cybervantyz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/cybervantyz/32/6513_2.png) [@Cybervantyz](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Cybervantyz)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/that-fireplaces-and-shelters-man-and-how-they-should-not-require-a-shallow-pit/20431/4 "2019-06-22T01:49:17Z")

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> Where do you get those dimension from?

I browsed sources. The file is “src/iuse.cpp” and the function is “dig\_pit\_moves\_and\_byproducts”. It thankfully has extensive explanation in comments on where the numbers are coming from.

> What version is this?

According to “git tag -l”, the latest tag was “cdda-jenkins-b8937” at that moment.