Temperature insanity

[KA101]

[quote=“Midaychi, post:113, topic:6865”]I dunno about everyone else, but I’ve found that starting as a tailor profession with at least 3 survival fixes this. All ya gotta do is start off wrecking the crap out of your shelter and salvaging everything, then make yourself a full warm set of clothing, a makeshift bed, and a blanket. Just make sure all your parts are in green most of the day, set that blanket down on the bed, and you should never get frostbite. negative temperatures no problem at all.

I use this start and add in points in unarmed combat/melee/dodge for a taekwondo fighter, some good strength and dex, and some good leg/arm armor. Get some basic torso/head/feet/hand armor as you go.[/quote]

If it only works with one build, it’s broken.

[jimboblordofeskimos]

The -26C and snow you have at the moment day 1 also makes avoiding some kind of frostbite almost impossible

[Khrysanth]

While this exists, I’ve taken to starting in Summer to give myself some time before some Stark tells me their house motto. Summer has its own perils, of course, but the temperature is at least survivable at the start.

Wearing enough armor to stave off the hordes is another matter.

[Snaaty]

I must say I even like the extreme cold more than the extreme hot, because it allows me to wear a metric fuckton of armour which is nice for melee fighters.
Also, taking 3 levels in tailoring is now really just mandatory, as it lets you ignore most of the frostbite issues.

[Arek_PL]

[quote=“Snaaty, post:117, topic:6865”]I must say I even like the extreme cold more than the extreme hot, because it allows me to wear a metric fuckton of armour which is nice for melee fighters.
Also, taking 3 levels in tailoring is now really just mandatory, as it lets you ignore most of the frostbite issues.[/quote]

fuckton of armour give fuckton of encumbrance

[Snaaty]

Not neccessarily. Wearing a trenchcoat, a long shirt, underwear and a small bag can leave you at little encumbrance while providing much storage.
On the other hand, in summer, when you melt away as soon as you even look at your trenchcoat, you have to reduce armour to a absolute minimum.

I just noticed, that in those cold winter night, when some zombie tries to hit me through my reinforced clothing they may fail quite often.

[Efimero]

Ok. New weather values have been merged. Now it should be much more survivable. Let me know if you still find it too hard or too easy. It will apply retroactively to old saves. No need to start a new one, but if you do, tell me if the start is more reasonable.

[w4ldf33]

I just started in spring with -4 C in a snow flurries storm with a fuckton of fungaloids outside my shelter(i blame you for them too :D). Ill take the challenge, but it seems kinda harsh for a new player just stepping into the game with basic settings.
1996 build.

[Efimero]

[quote=“w4ldf33, post:121, topic:6865”]I just started in spring with -4 C in a snow flurries storm with a fuckton of fungaloids outside my shelter(i blame you for them too :D). Ill take the challenge, but it seems kinda harsh for a new player just stepping into the game with basic settings.
1996 build.[/quote]
It shouldn’t go much lower than that and I decreased the prominence of cold days a lot, so soon it will be hotter. From my experience, -4C is ok. You may get cold, but you won’t die from it unless you stay still for days. Thirst will kill you faster.
If this is not the case, tell me, but I’m pretty sure the current cold at the start is super mild.

[Khrysanth]

A quick check of records for Boston shows that March 20th should have an average low of 36F/2C and an average high of 45F/7C - This would be the first day of spring.
First day of summer shifts to: Low: 62F/17C and High: 77F/25C.

This is, of course, not counting any effects of Cataclysmic proportion - Dimensional rifts, nuclear bombings, air strikes, etc. Spring seems appropriate - Summer, on the other hand, seems excessively hot still with my recent test reaching a peak of 109F on the first day.

[Efimero]

That might be just luck. In my tests summer highs are normally below 80F.
In fact, it’s luck beyond what should be possible. Are you using 1996 or higher? Send me your save.

[kevin.granade]

A quick check of records for Boston shows that March 20th should have an average low of 36F/2C and an average high of 45F/7C - This would be the first day of spring.

If you found some good data sources for historical temperature, care to share them?

[Khrysanth]

Whether they’re good sources is debatable. As I said, it was a quick check.

Caveat: I don’t know whether these sites use extensive advertising. I block ads.

The first site has a breakdown of cloud cover and precipitation, which could also be useful for tweaking the weather.

This was the first day of spring:
http://weatherspark.com/averages/29794/3/20/Boston-Massachusetts-United-States

Another site with an overview of monthly averages:
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USMA0046

Efimero - Apologies, but I had already deleted that save. If I encounter that situation again, I’ll zip it up and get it to you ASAP.

[kevin.granade]

According to your source, about 1/10 years have lows around -4C in Boston (it says 26F, which is -3.3C, close enough).
DDA doesn’t generate “average weather”, it generates pseudorandom weather that falls within the bounds of what happens in reality, which means some games it’ll be lower than average, some it’ll be higher than average.
What we expect is that temperatures mostly stay within the dark and light grey bands on that chart, and never get very far outside it, it doesn’t need to stay right at the average.

It sounds like it’s working as intended, from this single data point anyway.

[Khrysanth]

Like I said, spring seemed to be at an appropriate level. Once food decay is less extreme, I’ll shift my attention to testing summer temperature ranges.

[Efimero]

Like I said, spring seemed to be at an appropriate level. Once food decay is less extreme, I’ll shift my attention to testing summer temperature ranges.

Nobody has explained how food decay is unexpectedly fast. I did my best to keep the same decay speed as before, but I have no proper tested data or an easy way to test it (I have no time at the moment to do the extensive tests that would require).
If somebody can provide data on how food is expected to decay and how it currently does, fixing it should be just a matter of changing the decay factor, which is a single number.

[Arek_PL]

well i soon will have summer so i will tell how this look and decay is nothing for me (over 600kg of meat jerky)

[Zireael]

well i soon will have summer so i will tell how this look and decay is nothing for me (over 600kg of meat jerky)

Meat jerky doesn’t decay (at least in Cata)

[digitCruncher]

Was this supposed to be fixed in version 2004? Day 3 of Spring (on 30-day seasons) and I have had three days in a row where the lows during night have been -6C each time, and the highs have never gone above 10C.

It’s been tough, but not unbeatable… And at least we are not dropping to < -20C on the first night, which is a great improvement!

It is no longer a game-breaking issue though, so I don’t mind if this is ‘good enough’.

[Zireael]

-6 is not -25, so we’re fixed IMHO.