# Switch to Whale's cuss?

**URL:** <https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893>\
**Category:** The Drawing Board\
**Created:** [July 26, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893 "2014-07-26T04:31:52Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 18\
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**Author:** ![Reaper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/reaper/32/74_2.png) [@Reaper](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Reaper)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/1 "2014-07-26T04:31:52Z")

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> **[Whales/cuss](https://github.com/Whales/cuss)**
>
> cuss - A more friendly curses. Includes a wrapper class and functions, some helper functions, and a data-driven interface model.

Why not, devs?

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**Author:** ![kilozombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e274bd/32.png) [@kilozombie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kilozombie)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 5:03am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/2 "2014-07-26T05:03:06Z")

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Shitposting.

Explain what you’re talking about.

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**Author:** ![Reaper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/reaper/32/74_2.png) [@Reaper](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Reaper)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 5:51am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/3 "2014-07-26T05:51:21Z")

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> **[Whales/cuss](https://github.com/Whales/cuss)**
>
> cuss - A more friendly curses. Includes a wrapper class and functions, some helper functions, and a data-driven interface model.

  
Whales write it to make interface/menus more easy.  
Are you dev?

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 7:30am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/4 "2014-07-26T07:30:48Z")

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I am, and though I don’t typically handle the infrastructure I feel pretty safe in saying that we really aren’t interested in swapping engines at the moment.

Side note: when reading the subject, I thought “OK…going back to Whales’ NPC dialogue code, and specifically their tendency to overuse expletives? Nope.”

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**Author:** ![infectedmochi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/infectedmochi/32/206_2.png) [@infectedmochi](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/infectedmochi)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 8:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/5 "2014-07-26T08:04:15Z")

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Not a very good idea, switch to cuss would mean lots of work, not to mention disregard all the work people have done until now - something that I’m sure few will do so willingly.

CDDA’s interface right now is good and functional enough IMO, it could be better, but the hassle to migrate to cuss is larger than any potential benefits that it might bring.

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**Author:** ![Reaper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/reaper/32/74_2.png) [@Reaper](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Reaper)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 8:41am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/6 "2014-07-26T08:41:21Z")

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[quote=“infectedmochi, post:5, topic:6893”]Not a very good idea, switch to cuss would mean lots of work, not to mention disregard all the work people have done until now - something that I’m sure few will do so willingly.

CDDA’s interface right now is good and functional enough IMO, it could be better, but the hassle to migrate to cuss is larger than any potential benefits that it might bring.[/quote]  
You dev? You see code? You try to add or modify interface?

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**Author:** ![KA101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/278dde/32.png) [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/7 "2014-07-26T14:56:15Z")

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[quote=“Reaper, post:6, topic:6893”][quote=“infectedmochi, post:5, topic:6893”]Not a very good idea, switch to cuss would mean lots of work, not to mention disregard all the work people have done until now - something that I’m sure few will do so willingly.

CDDA’s interface right now is good and functional enough IMO, it could be better, but the hassle to migrate to cuss is larger than any potential benefits that it might bring.[/quote]  
You dev? You see code? You try to add or modify interface?[/quote]

Mochi’s saying the same thing I did, albeit more nicely, and has been around DDA for long enough to know what he’s talking about. Since Whales has made a total of three commits to this cuss thing, I’m not even sure it’s finished enough to use at this point.

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**Author:** ![kevin.granade](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/kevin.granade/32/1316_2.png) [@kevin.granade](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kevin.granade)\
**Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/8 "2014-07-26T16:13:56Z")

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1. No one has researched it and gotten an idea of what the pros/cons of using it are.
2. Migrating to a new backend is a lot of pointless work, it needs to have amazing benefits to go to the trouble of doing it.
3. A quick glance at the code tells me it doesn’t handle utf8
4. The “awesome data-driven layout” for menus looks like this:

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 4:40am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/9 "2014-07-29T04:40:46Z")

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For all of you who can’t see through the spoiler+code tag combination (which the forum doesn’t like for some odd reason).

[quote=“Kevin Granade, post:8, topic:6893”]`+i_elements </> 80 25 12 1 BG </> 0 0 80 25 0 0 0 737 -1 0 32 0 0 -1 1 32 0 0 -1 2 32 0 0 -1 3 32 0 0 -1 4 32 0 0 -1 5 32 0 0 -1 6 32 0 0 -1 7 32 0 0 -1 8 32 0 0 -1 9 32 0 0 -1 10 32 0 0 -1 11 32 0 0 -1 12 32 0 0 -1 13 32 0 0 -1 14 32 0 0 -1 15 32 0 0 -1 16 32 0 0 -1 17 32 0 0 -1 18 32 0 0 -1 19 32 0 0 -1 20 32 0 0 -1 21 32 0 0 -1 22 32 0 0 -1 23 32 0 0 0 -1 32 0 0 0 0 4194412 9 0 0 1 4194424 9 0 0 2 4194424 9 0 0 3 4194424 9 0 0 4 4194424 9 0 0 5 4194424 9 0 0 6 4194424 9 0 0 7 4194424 9 0 0 8 4194424 9 0 0 9 4194424 9 0 0 10 4194424 9 0 0 11 4194424 9 0 0 12 4194424 9 0 0 13 4194424 9 0 0 14 4194424 9 0 0 15 4194424 9 0 0 16 4194424 9 0 0 17 4194424 9 0 0 18 4194424 9 0 0 19 4194424 9 0 0 20 4194424 9 0 0 21 4194424 9 0 0 22 4194424 9 0 0 23 4194413 9 0 0 24 32 0 0 1 -1 32 0 0 1 0 4194417 9 0 1 1 32 0 0 1 2 32 0 0 1 3 32 0 0 1 4 32 0 0 1 5 32 0 0 1 6 32 0 0 1 7 32 0 0 1 8 32 0 0 1 9 32 0 0 1 10 32 0 0 1 11 32 0 0 1 12 32 0 0 1 13 32 0 0 1 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Really? That’s odd, it works just fine here. Is it a windows thing? Chrome? (I hope no one is using … ugh… ie)

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 5:08am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/11 "2014-07-29T05:08:47Z")

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Always had the weird spoiler+code tag glitch.

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/12 "2014-07-29T05:19:11Z")

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Firefox 30 here. Seems to work fine.

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 5:59am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/13 "2014-07-29T05:59:42Z")

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> [@FunsizeNinja123](#):
>
> Always had the weird spoiler+code tag glitch.

Yeah, it happens both with Chrome (on my windows 7 side) and with Safari/Firefox (on my mac side). For some reason spoiler tags flatten the code box to less than a single line, meaning it’s impossible to read without copy/pasting it somewhere else. (The Dwarf Fortress forums also seem to have the same problem as well for me).

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 6:44am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/14 "2014-07-29T06:44:59Z")

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> [@i2amroy](#):
>
> [quote=“FunsizeNinja123, post:11, topic:6893”]Always had the weird spoiler+code tag glitch.

Yeah, it happens both with Chrome (on my windows 7 side) and with Safari/Firefox (on my mac side). For some reason spoiler tags flatten the code box to less than a single line, meaning it’s impossible to read without copy/pasting it somewhere else. (The Dwarf Fortress forums also seem to have the same problem as well for me).[/quote]

Probably a SMF issue then. Weird that your Firefox has the problem and mine doesn’t, though. ???

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 7:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/15 "2014-07-29T07:17:07Z")

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Might be a combination of the fact that it’s mac and that I haven’t updated it in forever. 😛 Generally I just use Safari on my mac side, which has the problem.

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 7:24am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/16 "2014-07-29T07:24:22Z")

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Win7, chrome user here. 😛

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/17 "2014-07-29T19:20:24Z")

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It’s an older-browser issue, FSN123.

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**Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 11:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/switch-to-whales-cuss/6893/18 "2014-07-29T23:04:24Z")

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> [@FunsizeNinja123](#):
>
> I’ve Always had the weird spoiler+code tag glitch.

> [@vultures](#):
>
> It’s an older-browser issue, FSN123.

> [@FunsizeNinja123](#):
>
> Win7, chrome user here. 😛

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