# Sooo… was overland wooden rowboat-bicycle actually intended?

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**Category:** The Bunker\
**Created:** [August 23, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543 "2020-08-23T00:03:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![Tamior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/41988e/32.png) [@Tamior](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamior)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/1 "2020-08-23T00:03:02Z")

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Since foot pedals can no longer be crafted, oars remain as the only muscle-powered “engine” you can craft with rather basic resource base (just need access to wood and metal).

And they actually _do_ function as a fully viable substitute for foot pedals on a bicycle-type wooden vehicle.

To clarify: oars remains fully functional as a vehicle engine on dry land, assuming said vehicle actually has enough wheels.

So basically now “rowboat wooden bicycle” is a staple DIY vehicle (consistently available via crafting alone, without relying on any salvaging for more “advanced” vehicle parts).

Makes we wonder, is everything working as intended here?

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**Author:** ![Profugo\_Barbatus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@Profugo\_Barbatus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Profugo_Barbatus)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/2 "2020-08-23T00:38:09Z")

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I mean, assuming you are sitting atop a wheeled vehicle that isn’t too heavy, there’s nothing preventing you from using oars to push yourself forward, like ski poles.

Its probably the stupidest thing I could imagine doing, but there is absolutely no physical limiter there.

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**Author:** ![Tamior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/41988e/32.png) [@Tamior](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamior)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/3 "2020-08-23T00:41:09Z")

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I agree with you 100% that that’s actually completely possible.

However, as of right now, this isn’t just “possible”, this is actually _the only way_ you can make a muscle-powered vehicle from scratch without access to more advanced components.

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**Author:** ![Valase](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/valase/32/6972_2.png) [@Valase](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Valase)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/4 "2020-08-23T00:49:56Z")

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Even if moving a vehicle on land with oars is not intended, it should still be kept in the game since it does actually work…

Also; clearly we need “flintstone technique” powered vehicles…

As stupid it may sound - the first bicycles did not have pedals and were “walked”. They did offer faster speeds than walking or running (on flat ground) and were less exhausting.

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**Author:** ![Profugo\_Barbatus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@Profugo\_Barbatus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Profugo_Barbatus)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/5 "2020-08-23T01:02:30Z")

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At that point we’re just talking “push with feet”. Could implement skateboards n scooters n unicycles too with that, some sort of ‘standing seat’ concept.

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**Author:** ![Tamior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/41988e/32.png) [@Tamior](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamior)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/6 "2020-08-23T01:04:40Z")

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I guess the problem with “flintstone technique” is that whatever part would actually enable it would be _technically_ considered an engine. And, thus, it will accept alternators, among other things.  
Leading to absolutely hilarious contraptions to the effect of “run in place for 3 minutes to recharge your coffee machine”.

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**Author:** ![Erk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/erk/32/3871_2.png) [@Erk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Erk)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/7 "2020-08-23T01:06:15Z")

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So this should be possible yes but woefully inefficient. If we don’t already have it, we should have some kind of variable efficiency for engines on ground vs in water

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**Author:** ![Tamior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/41988e/32.png) [@Tamior](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Tamior)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/8 "2020-08-23T01:10:08Z")

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To be fair, perhaps an even _BIGGER_ problem comes from the fact that oars are considered to be _CONTROLS_.

So if you add oars to a vehicle (without any controls) you can now use said oars to control your OTHER engines. Up to and including 9000 hp helicopter turbines, if that’s what you have at hand.

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**Author:** ![Erk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/erk/32/3871_2.png) [@Erk](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Erk)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/9 "2020-08-23T01:17:53Z")

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Heh. I keep forgetting how janky our non-car vehicles are. We could probably somehow flag Controls that aren’t mechanical, and these should be posted to GitHub as issues.

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**Author:** ![anonanon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@anonanon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anonanon)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/10 "2020-08-23T13:30:52Z")

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considering the conversion rate on the ups charger more like three weeks  
could charge up your super powered spotlights though

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**Author:** ![anonanon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@anonanon](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anonanon)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/11 "2020-08-23T13:32:29Z")

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want to know something really weird? tack and bridles to connect up animals are considered both engines and steerable wheels

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**Author:** ![int\_ua](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/int_ua/32/4402_2.png) [@int\_ua](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/int_ua)\
**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/12 "2020-08-23T13:42:14Z")

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> **[Dandy horse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandy_horse)**
>
> The dandy horse, a derogatory term for what was first called a Laufmaschine (in German), then a vélocipède or draisienne (in French and then English), and then a pedestrian curricle or hobby-horse, is a human-powered vehicle that, being the first means of transport to make use of the two-wheeler principle, is regarded as the forerunner of the bicycle. A dandy horse is powered by the rider's feet on the ground instead of the pedals of later bicycles. It was invented by Karl Drais (who called i Th...

> **[History of the bicycle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_bicycle)**
>
> Vehicles for human transport that have two wheels and require balancing by the rider date back to the early 19th century. The first means of transport making use of two wheels arranged consecutively, and thus the archetype of the bicycle, was the German draisine dating back to 1817. The term bicycle was coined in France in the 1860s, and the descriptive title "penny farthing", used to describe an "ordinary bicycle", is a 19th-century term.
> There are several early, but unverified claims for the i...

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**Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/sooo-was-overland-wooden-rowboat-bicycle-actually-intended/24543/13 "2020-08-23T23:05:58Z")

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