Skill Rust - Which Option Do You Play With?

[Jakers]

It already makes sense. It just isnt perfectly acurat.

Oh? It really doesn’t make sense in a realistic point of view as I was saying. For example, if I’ve been forging swords for all my life and I soon become an expert at doing so (Fabrication 8 or something), I just don’t find it generaly realistic for me to suddenly forget my great skills because I haven’t made a sword for a few days. It just doesn’t… work.

Therefore I think skill rust should be the opposite to the current system: at low levels you should easily forget skills, but at high levels the skills should stick with you.

Additionally, although it probably isn’t codable, I don’t see how Int-based skill rust works with skills such as melee. I don’t need to be clever to remember how to deliver a sweet Chuck Norris kick, I just need to master my technique - and that would be based on STR or DEX.

But yeah, I don’t think it’s a feature that should be in there. Both due to gameplay experience of rolling my eyes to see that my tailoring skill is going down because I haven’t repaired my panties today, and due to the unrealistic aspect of that. I know CDDA isn’t all about realism (ITS A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE WITH FUCKIN CRABS N’ SHIT) but I still have no enjoyment playing with skill rust on for those reasons.

The feature just needs a little rework, that’s all!

[Valpo]

So you can t forge a sword you forged before if you lose the nessesary skill lvl? (still haven t tried myself)
Also if you just got good enough to attempt to forge this said sword at lvl 8 you may still fail to craft it cause your just at the edge of the nessesary skill lvl.
When you have mastered forging this sword you ll be at skill lvl 10 and thus will be able to flawlessly forge it again even if you don t to0uch the skill at all for a month or so (unless you got like int 8 then maybe a lil faster)

And as i said if its to fast its not acurate. but losing skill is realistic.

Anything you remember has to do with your brain. Even what one calls muscle memory is stored there… theres just no other place. Thus if int is a general value of your memory, thought process efficiency,creativety and such it will have an effect on all your skill.

Also concerning gameplay realism isn t always the most fun thing.

people forget.

edit:

Maybe someone can add a setting for skill rust scaling like we have for monster spawn so people can adjust the speed to theire liking.

*additionaly if skillrust is turned off all related traites should be removed .

[Tineen]

I can’t remember where I left my keys half the time let alone constructing homemade nuclear reactors.

“So where did I put the coolant rod, uh oh.”

[MarcoVGnG]

Could someone explain objectively what are the difference between int-cap and int please?
I would understand them to choose wisely.

Thanks a lot for answer

[Valpo]

[quote=“MarcoVGnG, post:57, topic:7911”]Could someone explain objectively what are the difference between int-cap and int please?
I would understand them to choose wisely.

Thanks a lot for answer :)[/quote]

Both use your characters int to scale down the effect of skill rust. Meaning the more int you have the slower your skills will dgrade.
Additionally intcap will not let you lose lvls while with only int you ll lose a lvl once a skill thats at .00 degrades.

[MarcoVGnG]

Both use your characters int to scale down the effect of skill rust. Meaning the more int you have the slower your skills will dgrade. Additionally intcap will not let you lose lvls while with only int you ll lose a lvl once a skill thats at .00 degrades.

simple and efficient.
Thanks a lot

[Maur]

Speed of skill rust the way it is is actually realistic. In a way - i mean, the skill gain is very unrealistic in its speed, getting to 10, supposedly world expert at something, takes a dozen days or so.

That said, i play with rust off. Perhaps if both were slower, i would turn it on.

[Taikei_no_Yuurei]

I started with the game on normal int and it took me a while to get to the point where that even mattered. When I finally did get a character to live that long I thought it was a cool little feature at first, but then I found myself running around looking for new clothes to practice my sewing on every day, and it just wasn’t fun running back to my base to grab my needle or something just to stop my hard earned tailoring skill from depleting. And with skill gains requiring difficult tasks instead of just cooking water or something, each % really is hard earned.

I tried intcapped for a bit, but it was really the same. I could just ignore a couple of skills that I had at 0% because I got them from books. Now I play with skill rust off, because it is just a tedious chore as opposed to an interesting activity.

I should also note this was on a 14 int character. My chances of skill rust were minimal, but it was still very frustrating to keep them from happening, especially when high levels can degrade while you sleep.

[Codeslamer]

I play with it off. Having it on makes sense for some things but then there are the things where you can cook extremely high skilled meals and then change to eating tinned food and junk food for a bit, where when you next try and cook you find that you can’t even fry some spam.

Who forgets how to fry spam? Who ever needs to learn how to fry spam in the first place?

[Rhodri]

Who ever needs to learn how to fry spam in the first place?

Forum moderators/administrators.

[Muaddib]

I play with Enhanced Memory Banks turned on.

[Misterspork]

This is my first post here.

I recently started playing the game again and made an archer character starting off in the wilderness, and up until this point I had been playing with the default rust setting.

When I lost a skill point in archery because I had been walking towards a mansion I could see rather than shooting every animal on sight that is when I decided to turn rust off. It makes zero sense to me that a person who has been training in archery his entire life would simply forget what he’s learned while walking down the street. Zero sense.

I read earlier in this thread a suggestion that did make sense and I would particularly enjoy, that it would make more sense if things still rusted but that things you have more skill in rust much more slowly.

It would be hard to attain and retain a new skill that you had never studied before but doesn’t take much effort at all to maintain a skill that you’re an expert in. But I think you shouldn’t be able to go beneath one skill point. You’d remember at least the basics of what you’ve learned and so it doesn’t make sense to completely forget.

[Rhodri]

[quote=“Misterspork, post:65, topic:7911”]This is my first post here.

I recently started playing the game again and made an archer character starting off in the wilderness, and up until this point I had been playing with the default rust setting.

When I lost a skill point in archery because I had been walking towards a mansion I could see rather than shooting every animal on sight that is when I decided to turn rust off. It makes zero sense to me that a person who has been training in archery his entire life would simply forget what he’s learned while walking down the street. Zero sense.

I read earlier in this thread a suggestion that did make sense and I would particularly enjoy, that it would make more sense if things still rusted but that things you have more skill in rust much more slowly.

It would be hard to attain and retain a new skill that you had never studied before but doesn’t take much effort at all to maintain a skill that you’re an expert in. But I think you shouldn’t be able to go beneath one skill point. You’d remember at least the basics of what you’ve learned and so it doesn’t make sense to completely forget.[/quote]

Welcome to the forums, MisterSpork!

I found a picture of you when you were a weetle babby!

[Okiemurse]

Rust off.

I’ve got so much of this game’s world to explore and do and play with I can’t be bothered to grind out repetitive skill practice.

[Valpo]

[quote=“Misterspork, post:65, topic:7911”]This is my first post here.

I recently started playing the game again and made an archer character starting off in the wilderness, and up until this point I had been playing with the default rust setting.

When I lost a skill point in archery because I had been walking towards a mansion I could see rather than shooting every animal on sight that is when I decided to turn rust off. It makes zero sense to me that a person who has been training in archery his entire life would simply forget what he’s learned while walking down the street. Zero sense.

I read earlier in this thread a suggestion that did make sense and I would particularly enjoy, that it would make more sense if things still rusted but that things you have more skill in rust much more slowly.

It would be hard to attain and retain a new skill that you had never studied before but doesn’t take much effort at all to maintain a skill that you’re an expert in. But I think you shouldn’t be able to go beneath one skill point. You’d remember at least the basics of what you’ve learned and so it doesn’t make sense to completely forget.[/quote]

play with intcap then.
you ll not loose any skill at all just progress. Its a good aproximation to what you wnat imo.

[razor]

Off, seems like a bad feature to me.

For the kind of time frame in which this game is played that is the only realistic option. I am probably only a 6 or 7 on my real life INT score and I retain useful skills for years and decades rather than forgetting things over the course of a month. It has been twenty years since I was conscripted into my home country’s civil defense unit and I have not forgotten the basics of first aid or how to field strip an issued rifle.

Were I a Cataclysm character with skill rust on I would have forgotten these things before I even completed first training.

[mdtexeira]

Yeah off. I would perhaps play with it on were there an amalgamation of the various changes mentioned here, such as:

Higher skills decay slower
Recipes stay accessible regardless
Physical skills’ rust rates be factored off of Dex instead of Int (to reflect muscle memory)

Also, I think a certain amount of time should pass before rust even begins to happen. Like half a season, dependent on the length of seasons in the options. If you don’t do something at all for half a season, you might start forgetting it a bit, especially if you weren’t that proficient or grounded in the practice to begin with. Also, I think that your top three skills above, say, 6 should be considered specializations and be immune to rust altogether. Lastly, different skills should have different rust rates altogether. As someone who has studied cooking, survival skills, and electronics in my real life, the underlying principles of cooking are easier to grasp and harder to forget than those of electronics.

[vultures]

Yeah, try and forget how to swim in RL.

But wait!
Does RL stand for RogueLike or RealLife?

[Sunflash]

skill /rust/ would make sense. lose your edge at something youve not practiced mich recently. you may not make the BEST fried spam after not cooling for a week, you you still know HOW to fry spam.

currently however, we habe something more like skill /loss/. this penalizes you for not grinding everything .

a somewhat complicated yet possibly more solid approch would be tieing spme things to skill tiers or something of tha nature.t

[Bumpkin]

Wait, you can lose skill ranks? All my rusty skills seem to sit at 0% of the last level I achieved. I don’t think I’ve ever seen my skill level actually drop a rank. (I ranked speaking and bartering up to 1 in a no-NPC world just to keep an eye on them, and they’re sitting at pink 0%)

I’m playing IntCap and my guy has 12 intelligence. Is this just not an issue for me because high int or something?