Should wearing armor cause issues when sleeping?

[darktoes]

That is “possible”, as mass is basically a special form of energy. Even creating matter from energy is possible.
For the rest I think you are correct.

Correct. Let me say impractical then. Technically amounts of energy are converted to mass on a daily basis, especially in anything nuclear and in particle colliders. Nothing that could reliably convert heat into a usable mass though.

[mlangsdorf]

Saving outfits is just a QoL change for the player. It doesn’t let you change outfits instantly in game time. If the hulk is coming through the door and you want to take off all your crafting gear to put on your power armor, it’s still going to take a huge amount of game time, same as if you 'd’ropped everything and then wore the power armor.

It just lets you change outfits with many fewer keypresses.

As a fairly straightforward enhancement, the game could detect if you’re standing next to a dresser or armor rack and ask if you want to store your old outfit there.

[Sanehatter]

I like this idea and the “comfy outfit morale bonus” one too. If we can have those with few keypresses it’ll be a nice way to make players focus on base safety, even if they can just mow down anything that gets too close to them.

[RogerWilco]

You could make encumberance have some effect on sleeping, or while sleeping.

“You wake up and your arm feels sore”
“You have trouble sleeping with all the gear your wearing”

[mlangsdorf]

It’s easy to add penalties for armor while sleeping. The exact penalties are open to debate, but it’s not a big deal.

But if we just impose the penalties without making it nearly painless for the person playing the game to change outfits, then we’ve added annoying busywork and people are rightfully going to complain. The sequence has to be “enable changing by outfits” first, then “enable penalties for inappropriate outfits.”

[sfsworms]

Oooh, and if outfits are a thing, could we have a way to apply them to followers? Dealing with NPCs equipment is annoying as fuck.

[mlangsdorf]

NPCs have access to the sort armor interface, so outfits should apply to them, too.

At least until NPCs get smart enough that we’re not allowed to micromanaged them anymore.

[Trigon]

If this was the case I think wearing comfy jammies to bed should give a morale increase to the got comfy mood. I feel buffs are better at incentivizing players to do things. Obviously if it’s as tedious as it would be now even then it’s not really feasible. So there would need to be a quick method of dumping gear and equipping it again without being a huge pain in the ass. As others have already pointed out.

[Litppunk]

(New thread creation in 1 sec “Creating” Cold)
Side topic: how do we do the move thread fork to new thread thing?

Boosts and negatives based on more extreme outfits would be great. Wearing pretty “moderate” armour should net effectively 0 result, so like a not-full-set of leather armour or so ~20 enumberence maybe centered around ~15 or something average might be a nice balence point once outfits are a thing.

[Aabbcc]

I do not like encumbrance being used for this.

If you’re fully wrapped in soft, fluffy sheets like a taco, you’re encumbered all to hell, but you are also very, very comfy unless the climate is hot. In this vein, we have sleeping bags, and I’m pretty sure there’s several comfy clothes that are encumbering, or at least, more encumbering that some armor.

What you want instead is either a new parameter, or a new flag (either ‘comfy’, ‘uncomfortable to sleep in’, or both tags)

[Litppunk]

hmm true. I didn’t think about that.

[JazzGuru]

Stuff like this really needs to wait until we have a system in place where items can be properly stored in backpacks etc. Right now, it’s not just the having to take everything off that would be annoying, but also the picking up of items that would all drop to the ground because your carrying capacity dropped…

[ecchi_squid]

Save loadout, load loadout? Double items=profit.

[Litppunk]

double points if loadout includes [hot] food and [cold] beverage, double double if it includes buleon and a spare battery/gas can

[TheKobold]

This has nothing to do with nested containers.

What is needed before implementation has been discussed already. We need a save load out UI.

[TheKobold]

Isn’t there a parameter like that based around the type of bed/sleeping surface , having a pillow, blanket, etc?

[TheMurderUnicorn]

I think that assigning a single flag, [Uncomfortable] or something like that would be sufficient. It’s limited, but that’s all that’s necessary. I don’t think creating an additional [Comfy] flag would be necessary. You’d just need to know if you get the morale debuff or if you get the comfy buff as a result of sleeping in a comfortable place.

If you wanted to exert a lot of control over it (and give yourself a ton of work to do, editing lots of items) you could create a comfort variable and then have each article of clothing give a + or - to the variable. Then when you sleep, do a check and hand out results based on comfort’s current value.

[Aabbcc]

I’m… not sure?
I think it’s hardcoded to checking the presence of some items when it comes to sleeping, I’m not certain because I’ve never checked that code, or had a reason to, but I haven’t spotted anything in the JSONs indicating it can be controlled there, so if it’s not there, it must be hardcoded.

IF it is like that, then if we want to check if what you’re wearing is ‘comfy’, we can no longer rely on suck a method, but must then have flags or a parameter within the JSON indicating comfiness.

[TheKobold]

I remember reading somewhere about some sort of parameter, but I don’t code dive so I can’t be sure either. I do like the Ideal of an uncomfortable flag added to things like armor and bulky clothing that would make your sleep restless though. It seems like the simplest implementation to me with the best result.

[JazzGuru]

Cool.

You obviously know more about it than I do…