Shoes' Temperature mod

Fox · 2013-06-09T13:23:20.000Z

wore a blanket and slept… when I woke up I had blisters on my face from being warm… that can’t be right.

KA101 · 2013-06-09T23:34:55.000Z

Was wearing all sorts of clothes (underarmor, hoodie, utilivest, jeans, cotton cloak, wool poncho, socks/sneakers, army helmet) but only Glove Liners & Fingerless Gloves when I tried to sleep on my unrolledmat the other night.

Unfortunately, since I am apparently required to sleep in the Starfish position, my hands got cold. I was Chilly all night, despite all the clothing I could dig up, because I hadn’t gone to sleep with my mittens on.

:-/

Shoes · 2013-06-10T09:48:37.000Z

Fox:

wore a blanket and slept… when I woke up I had blisters on my face from being warm… that can’t be right.

That is indeed odd, since blisters are only triggered by being close to fire, not body temperature. The only bug I know so far about blisters is the fact that when you reload a game, you might have them for one turn. I think that has been fixed; if not, I should probably get on it.

[quote=“KA101, post:111, topic:128”]Was wearing all sorts of clothes (underarmor, hoodie, utilivest, jeans, cotton cloak, wool poncho, socks/sneakers, army helmet) but only Glove Liners & Fingerless Gloves when I tried to sleep on my unrolledmat the other night.

Unfortunately, since I am apparently required to sleep in the Starfish position, my hands got cold. I was Chilly all night, despite all the clothing I could dig up, because I hadn’t gone to sleep with my mittens on.

:-/[/quote]

Yeah, I wasn’t happy with sleeping only checking torso, and I am not happy with it treating torso and hands as the same degree of importance. You will be happy to know sleeping should only get interrupted if you are more than chilly, and I think I will make it easier still by treating the player as if he were sleeping in a fetal position, instead if the current star fish position ;p If you are playing in the nightly build, you can wear a blanket over all your clothing, so you don’t have to take off your shoes to go to sleep!

KA101 · 2013-06-11T23:43:55.000Z

In point of fact, the Army Helmet was the dealbreaker regarding Sleeping Bags. Head encumbrance!

Goof to hear about the fetal position.

There’s some sort of issue with unPowered Armor, FWIW: http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=1764.msg21309#msg21309 .

Shoes · 2013-06-12T09:40:00.000Z

[quote=“KA101, post:113, topic:128”]In point of fact, the Army Helmet was the dealbreaker regarding Sleeping Bags. Head encumbrance!

Goof to hear about the fetal position.

There’s some sort of issue with unPowered Armor, FWIW: http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=1764.msg21309#msg21309 .[/quote]

Thanks for the heads up. I added a new flag to clothing, “OVERSIZE”, which can always be worn. Blankets, sleeping bags, cloaks and their variants all have this tag. Mutations and encumbrance aren’t considered when wearing them. I don’t think power armor is either.

KA101 · 2013-06-20T22:03:50.000Z

Another possible overheat thing, not sure if you fixed it in dev:
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=1898.msg23476#msg23476

Shoes · 2013-06-21T11:51:08.000Z

Yeah, I think the dehydration was fixed already in the dev version. I am not sure in what sense Zaweri Runewright means the fire is not working.

Shoes · 2013-08-25T03:15:19.000Z

So I’ve come back to finish some business.

Recently added was the ability to sleep on clothing for warmth without wearing it. I want to add a prompt telling you if you will be cold or not before going to sleep, but the best way to do that is to refactor the temperature code – something I will eventually do out of perfectionism, but not yet.

I added new labs that have malfunctioning (and unrepairable) temperature controls : they are very cold. The (hopeful) addition of this lab will require more ways to fight extreme cold, so I will probably look into adding UPS powered heating and cooling garments, and perhaps an augmentation module to the power armor’s internal climate control.

Another consequence is that monsters in this ice lab need to feel the effects : I have working code that slows critters relative to the temperature. It is approximate, but it does the job.

Yet another consequence is the ability to distinguish between temperature due to weather and temperature due to other things (such as malfunctioning labs). The groundwork has been laid to have buildings react differently to the weather outdoors. If wind were to be added, then a survivor could really find refuge inside the walls of a building (note that hiding behind a wall would not be covered, that would be extra code)

And finally, to distinguish further the more difficult ice lab, it would need unique loot (probably cold related) with unique effects. Oh yeah, and with ice labs requiring more clothing, I might look at reintroducing my folding mod so the player can take time and tightly pack up his gear.

So yeah, that’s where temperature is heading.

John_Candlebury · 2013-08-25T04:13:07.000Z

Thats great news Shoes! It opens up for a lot of diverse game play and strategies, really looking forward to it!

KA101 · 2013-08-25T04:40:44.000Z

What’s particularly impressive is that Shoes expressly did this (in part, at least) just to mess with me.

Sorry, Shoes–but I established a workaround for your maleficence some time ago. Your Laboratory Lure will freeze all the innocent CataDDA players, but not impair my characters in the least!

Your sinister schemes are moot before me. Turn from this dark path! It’s not too late to return to the light side!

/it is TOO possible to have a somewhat-friendly forum rivalry

Shoes · 2013-08-25T11:42:18.000Z

(psst, I’m the one that added the Jedi Cloak. Looks like you like my mods after all!)

Sheb · 2013-08-25T12:17:37.000Z

Why so many Ice Labs? Why are they getting cold? I f anything, you should get warmer when you go underground.

Shoes · 2013-08-25T13:46:32.000Z

Sheb:

Why so many Ice Labs? Why are they getting cold? I f anything, you should get warmer when you go underground.

I am totally talking to you on IRC as well, but for the benefit of other readers : this particular lab did experiments near 0 Kelvin, and something went wrong. The deeper you go, the colder it gets.

KA101 · 2013-08-25T16:13:04.000Z

Shoes:

(psst, I’m the one that added the Jedi Cloak. Looks like you like my mods after all!)

I know. I’m on record as thanking you for the ability to sleep in chairs/sofas, too. Doesn’t mean I like everything you do.

Re 0 K experiments: climate control that low takes a lot of energy. Cutting off or redirecting the power source ought to provide enough juice to light up the nearby city. (Illuminating the Lab itself would be trivial.)

i2amroy · 2013-08-25T19:13:29.000Z

Sheb:

Why so many Ice Labs? Why are they getting cold? I f anything, you should get warmer when you go underground.

Because of the spawn algorithm the easiest thing to do is to have a 50/50 split right now. If we add more lab types in the future then the percentage reduces.

KA101:

Re 0 K experiments: climate control that low takes a lot of energy. Cutting off or redirecting the power source ought to provide enough juice to light up the nearby city. (Illuminating the Lab itself would be trivial.)

Personally I’m of the opinion that they simply opened a portal to a very cold place in the depths of the lab. (Which ideally should be able to serve as a lab finale in ice labs). No power required at all.

KA101 · 2013-08-25T19:19:15.000Z

i2amroy:

[quote=“Sheb, post:121, topic:128”]Why so many Ice Labs? Why are they getting cold? I f anything, you should get warmer when you go underground.

Because of the spawn algorithm the easiest thing to do is to have a 50/50 split right now. If we add more lab types in the future then the percentage reduces.

KA101:

Re 0 K experiments: climate control that low takes a lot of energy. Cutting off or redirecting the power source ought to provide enough juice to light up the nearby city. (Illuminating the Lab itself would be trivial.)

Personally I’m of the opinion that they simply opened a portal to a very cold place in the depths of the lab. (Which ideally should be able to serve as a lab finale in ice labs). No power required at all.[/quote]

Well, wouldn’t that be a solution right there? Have Ice Portal as the finale, roll finales when the Lab first gets generated, and Ice Portals create Ice Labs?

(Yeah, I realize that (last I knew) lab finales weren’t set until you hit their floor. Very profitable, that. Would rather Quantum Finales be regulated than have a 50% chance labs won’t be useful to most players.)

Shoes · 2013-08-25T22:03:19.000Z

Ice labs spawn ice finales, however at the moment those are just carbon copies of regular lab finales ;p I would have to learn how to do stuff to change that to a portal to ice-hell. Or whatever.

KA101 · 2013-08-25T22:06:27.000Z

Shoes:

Ice labs spawn ice finales, however at the moment those are just carbon copies of regular lab finales ;p I would have to learn how to do stuff to change that to a portal to ice-hell. Or whatever.

Maybe you should.

Shoes · 2013-08-25T22:59:47.000Z

I actually took a look, and it’s not as dense as I expected. Most of the code in this game is short hand without comments, rendering it impossible to understand, but I think I could manage.

The next hurdle will be a creative one :x

kevin.granade · 2013-08-26T20:59:56.000Z

It should be possible to re-merge the “ice lab” and normal lab* definitions, and replace it with a thingy that sets the temperature directly, possibly even having the above ground area be noticeably chilly. Also this would lead to all kinds of new temperature-based shennanigans.

*Um, bad name, nothing normal about labs at all