Shard's Misc Mod

Shard · 2018-10-30T02:07:29.134Z

No, as those have no function that can be condensed by making a larger version. Engines: less engines in the vehicle cluttering the view. Battery arrays: less batteries cluttering the view. Storage tanks: less gas tanks cluttering the view. Mostly made to let me actually see what was going on with weapons and npcs in my vehicle.

nameless_survivor · 2018-10-30T15:32:04.867Z

Can the internal 100/200L tanks store other liquids besides gasoline/diesel? I have 4 external tanks I use for gas, diesel, purified water, and salt water mounted at the rear, away from the edges. I would LOVE to install them inside a tile like the 60L tank. I hate having the damn things get knocked off and emptied if I bump into something just right.

How does the efficiency of the massive electric motor compare to the enhanced electric motor?

Does the storage battery array work like the solar array, taking up a tile entirely and making it impassable?

Shard · 2018-10-30T19:11:14.045Z

The larger tanks can hold anything any other tank can.

Large electric: power: 400, battery used: 40000
Massive electric: power: 1000, battery used: 140000
So the massive electric is about 2.5x as powerful for 3.5x the power usage. It is intended for power, not efficiency.

The storage battery array is floor to ceiling solid battery, no movement and no sight through it, but it stores a hell of a lot.

Kurchie · 2018-10-31T07:26:58.313Z

The storage battery array is floor to ceiling solid battery, no movement and no sight through it, but it stores a hell of a lot.

Think of heat battery generates in use. Big battery as that, large fire hazard, or other, while battery is use, it generate heat to adjacent tiles.

Malkeus · 2018-10-31T07:43:40.067Z

Kurchie:

Think of heat battery generates in use. Big battery as that, large fire hazard, or other, while battery is use, it generate heat to adjacent tiles.

It’s a shame we don’t have a space heater vehicle part you could yank the tag from for this. Imagine the fun you could have with a space heater (faulty) [internal short, extreme fire hazard].

Kurchie · 2018-10-31T08:04:36.347Z

Off topic slight, but seen the large force air propane heater? L Round cylinder, looks like cannons? Faulty (or modified) propane regulator and then it is now wide area flame launcher, for vehicle mount or carry. But that require propane tanks, which not exist in game.

Malkeus · 2018-10-31T08:10:33.666Z

I like it. I assume the faulty version would have a much better chance of exploding, right? A thought…does damage to an engine cause it to become faulty in some way? That would be pretty cool. If damage still works the same, the engine just loses top speed until it’s too damaged to keep running. It’d be fun to take a hit to the engine and lose your fuel pump. Still not sure why we’ve got fuel pumps on the engine and not a separate part in the same square as the tank, like an alternator. At least the water pump, starter, air filter etc are located near the engine normally.

Kurchie · 2018-10-31T08:12:58.505Z

Not sure, item in actual life is space heater, only fan, metal tube, tank and regulator. No engines. If connect to vehicle it may malfunction if damage, use of both leak_dam and fireball flags may work, but I not meddle with vehicle parts yet, so not sure.

Malkeus · 2018-10-31T08:26:37.349Z

But…jet engines that shoot fire! If only lateral thrust were a thing, I want to spin a vehicle like a top. Is what you’re talking about similar to a Salamander ™, or bigger? I can’t imagine a lp canister like I grill with lasting long as a flame thrower. I wonder if it would be possible to copy acetylene and monkey around with it to make propane. I will add to my list, testing if engines can be made to run on acetylene to see if this is worth pursuing. Hopefully everything is in json.

Kurchie · 2018-10-31T08:31:40.423Z

Yes, salamander style heater, that is it. Used to have one. a regular propane, when we could get, would last two days. As flamethrower it almost is already, fire comes close to ends. A small tweaking of a wrench on the regulation and it shoot four feet flame without much gas loss.
Apparently there is kerosin versions also, so perhaps a diesel survivor modification could make it more useful when tanks are dry. I should not hijack threads, but am sure @Shard may like this idea.

Shard · 2018-10-31T11:48:36.810Z

Not really something I am interested in adding, as it wouldn’t have much use compared to normal parts, though you have reminded me that I missed the tag to make the engines heat liquids in tanks, so I will have to add that when I have time.

Malkeus · 2018-10-31T11:58:00.578Z

That’s a thing? I want it, I want it! …wait I already have it. Neat, that’s a thing!

nameless_survivor · 2018-11-02T10:50:21.204Z

Oh god yes. I am sick of having tanks full of frozen drinking water.

Shard · 2018-11-02T14:36:19.207Z

Looks like I was mistaken, I was using copy_from electric_motor already, so it should work fine already. I need to look at my own mods before I start saying things about them that are untrue.

nameless_survivor · 2018-11-02T14:42:09.751Z

I didn’t know motors defrosted liquids in tanks by default. How close to the electric motor do storage tanks have to be to get defrosted? Same tile? Adjacent? I currently have my motors spread out to prevent my vehicle from becoming disabled from any single impact, explosion, etc, so they aren’t near most of my tankage. Also, does the vehicle have to be moving for it to generate heat, or will having the vehicle simply turned on suffice?

Shard · 2018-11-02T14:47:08.276Z

Not certain, I haven’t updated since before the ranged weapon buff. I haven’t heard anything about a range limit, just that the engine needs to be running.

Malkeus · 2018-11-07T23:22:03.849Z

I think gatebuff is a smashing success. Atomic Minitank VS Mechanical Winch. 30mph impact

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My question is, how can I make them deconstructable again? Didn’t these used to drop long rope?

edit: did some json diving. I’m wrong, they don’t drop rope in mainline. Was it always like this? You’d think we’d get some springs or wires or something to represent the parts of a winch.

Shard · 2018-11-07T23:29:40.489Z

No idea, I just know I always got annoyed with them being destroyed >90% of the time in vaults and wanted to have a chance to actually use them instead of having to torch through every single damn door. Hence the mod to make them stronger.

Malkeus · 2018-11-07T23:38:35.530Z

The rope and pulley has the format for adding a deconstruct recipe. I’m irritated I can’t get rope from these, but it makes sense. I agree with you on how often they get smashed up. I lost a character to starvation after a utility bot smashed all the winches inside the fire station while I was sleeping. I was frantically trying to level up skills enough to make a homewrecker, but I died ripping apart rags for thread to make string… It was so annoying chasing around that bot for light.

Nice mod and thanks for introducing me to Nechronica. You mentioned it in a post awhile back.

nameless_survivor · 2018-11-11T02:05:57.645Z

Shard, I have to give you props for this mod. The internal storage tanks, battery array, and cargo racks definitely simplified my vehicle.

One question though: is there any way I can make the tile icons something else from within the mod, or do I have to upgrade the MSX++ tileset somehow to do that? The existing icons kind of make my vehicle interior look mismatched. I’d like to make the internal tanks use the standing tank tile, and the cargo racks use the shelf icon. Not sure about the batteries yet.