Seriously Lacking Weaponry

[Jakers]

Little bit overboard.

Hmm… looking back at my post…

Just a teensy bit overboard.

Ok maybe a little.

!@#$ it a lot. Oh well, flails rock.

[Funk]

The G11 never went in to full production, they only made 1000 or so.

A metal club with spikes, any one?

[kevin.granade]

A major thing I’d be interested in as far as gun management is to make the relative gun spawn rates match their real-world counterparts. Glock 19’s would be all over the place, but you’d almost never run into the super-rare stuff, same with the ammo.
John, I’m all for the .300 -> .308 swap, if the .308 is actually the more common calibre, but I don’t want to warp the gun frequencies just because it makes it more common.

[John_Candlebury]

After brief google searches it seems that both 30-06 and .308 ammo is more common that .300 and that .30-06 beats .308 by a small/moderate margin, at least when it comes to hunting. Now, looking for which version of the rifle is the most common produced no results.

[John_Candlebury]

Double posting for weapons I think it makes sense to add based on their commonness.

The m24- A no brainer, the rifle is widely used both by police and military forces of the US. Should probably be chambered .30-06 as the remington 700 as they are technically the same rifle with some modifications in barrel quality and length. Should have the same stats as a R700 with the sniper conversion kit, actually the r700 could just automatically change its name to m24 when you install the conversion kit. So just have the game spawn r700 with the sniper kit already equipped in barracks/ police stations.

M39 another no brainer. The same story as the m24, add a sniper conversion kit to a m14, have it change its name to m39

SAM-R/SR-25 two sniper rifles used by the US forces that somewhat share the same niche. Same story as the other two rifles, add a sniper conversion to a AR-15, its one of these two instead of AR-15+. Chambered in 5.56

In conclusion, people who want more guns should do some actual research into guns instead of going all:

Hey Call of Duty has it so it exists (probably) and it ought to be in cata too. Because hey COD is a purely wish-fulfillment game in which you kill teh evil guyz with your c00l-gunz (if you don’t think so just look at the plot of ghosts they went full retard with that one). And while that can be fun, I rather have Cata make more sense than that.

[dovla]

M39 another no brainer. The same story as the m24, add a sniper conversion kit to a m14, have it change its name to m39

Springfield M1A should be found in civilian armories instead of M14, with M39 being found in military/police facilities. Also, and I haven’t tested this, but it seems to me the 7.62 NATO is a bit underpowered in-game when it comes to both range and damage.

[Slax]

30-06 was a big thing with the US in WW2. Used with infantry weapons (Garand, BAR) and I’m pretty sure snipers gladly used it too. Hard hitting, reliable, quite a kick. Used by hunters today. People are working on modernizing the BAR. A neat idea. Probably performs pretty well.
.308 (7.62x51) is the go-to caliber for moose hunting these days. Also popular with designated marksmen if we’re talking military.

Dunno if anyone uses .300 anymore. Maybe? I know .300 BLK (.300 AAC Blackout) is one the rise but that’s a bit different. Supposedly a 5.56 slug in a .30-cal casing. Lots of upgraded AR-15 platforms use it.

If we’re talking realistic steps forwards in military applications, 6.8mm Remington SPC (6.8 SPC) should probably be brought up. Dunno if it’s in the game already but it should be. The missing link between 5.56 and .308. An all-rounder.

Oh, and the G11 was pretty much a just an overhyped working prototype. Something to show that caseless ammo can be a viable choice. It’s huge, unwieldy and you’d NEVER find ammo for it. The game having “modern” caseless weapons just makes sense. Someone picked up on the idea of caseless ammo, took it a bit further and left ol’ grandpa G11 in the dust.

SAM-R/SR-25 two sniper rifles used by the US forces that somewhat share the same niche. Same story as the other two rifles, add a sniper conversion to a AR-15, its one of these two instead of AR-15+. Chambered in 5.56

SAM-R is 5.56, SR-25 is .308.

This thing is likely to see a lot of action over the years. Pretty small package, accurate. Plus, folks seem to like the AR-15 platform. Not quite up to snuff with an SR-25 but it doesn’t have to be. It ain’t a sniper rifle.

[AseaHeru]

On the topic of the G11 (as I really want to see that in the game, hence this thread in the first place), It was concerted as a replacement for (almost certain) the M16, so there is probably one kicking about the US.

Also, this is 50 years in the future, plenty of time for it to become some nations main battle rifle.

[dovla]

[quote=“AseaHeru, post:19, topic:5881”]On the topic of the G11 (as I really want to see that in the game, hence this thread in the first place), It was concerted as a replacement for (almost certain) the M16, so there is probably one kicking about the US.

Also, this is 50 years in the future, plenty of time for it to become some nations main battle rifle.[/quote]

I’ve quoted the relevant passage from another post for you.

Oh, and the G11 was pretty much a just an overhyped working prototype. Something to show that caseless ammo can be a viable choice. It’s huge, unwieldy and you’d NEVER find ammo for it. The game having “modern” caseless weapons just makes sense. Someone picked up on the idea of caseless ammo, took it a bit further and left ol’ grandpa G11 in the dust.

Now, if you really, really must have the G11 in our game, why not mod it in?

[AseaHeru]

It wasent the caseless ammo that made it special, it was the delayed recoil.

As for why I cant mod it in, I both have no idea how to and have no idea how to get the files open to mod it in.

[Slax]

Go for the AN-94 if you want delayed recoil. From what I understand it’s a tricky weapon to get used to. So much that “special training” is required, but it’s still waaaay more common than a G11. Hell, you’ll even find ammo for it.

Dunno if it’s in the game though.

[AseaHeru]

I think it is, along with its civ versions, in different calibers, etc.

[AseaHeru]

Actually, its not.

[Arek_PL]

well making a mod with new weapon is easy just copy code of other gun and change values name and description to what you want i think game have enought guns maybe just make mods of weapon pack and dev team will add this to game like did it with other mods like old weapon pack

[bahihs]

Just realized something, in theory aren’t bullets infinite (since the map is infinite, you can just roam to another gun store)? Also, some more home-made weapons would be nice, especially of the laser/plasma/gauss variety. And hell, why not more swords? Sabers, claymores, epees, etc. Also lightsabers, lightsabers would be interesting.

[FunsizeNinja123]

…Someone inform Bahihs why we can’t do that.

But I would like more swords (The metal kind).

[bahihs]

@Ninja Can’t do what exactly? Home-made weapons? Don’t recipes already exist for pneumatic weapons (and rail/coil guns also, iirc)? I’d just like to see similar recipes’ for laser and energy weapons.

Actually, on re-reading, I see you were talking about the lightsaber. I was joking about that. Kind of. Seriously though, if we have flaming bats why not energy based swords? (Doesn’t have to be craftable, could be an easter egg like the jedi cloak)

[Mrnocamera]

[quote=“bahihs, post:28, topic:5881”]@Ninja Can’t do what exactly? Home-made weapons? Don’t recipes already exist for pneumatic weapons (and rail/coil guns also, iirc)? I’d just like to see similar recipes’ for laser and energy weapons.

Actually, on re-reading, I see you were talking about the lightsaber. I was joking about that. Kind of. Seriously though, if we have flaming bats why not energy based swords? (Doesn’t have to be craftable, could be an easter egg like the jedi cloak)[/quote]
Flaming bats = Rags wrapped around baseball bat that are then doused in flammable liquids and set on fire.
Lightsaber = Complex piece of futuristic weaponry involving Sci-Fi Crystals and Lasers.

[KA101]

[quote=“Mrnocamera, post:29, topic:5881”][quote=“bahihs, post:28, topic:5881”]@Ninja Can’t do what exactly? Home-made weapons? Don’t recipes already exist for pneumatic weapons (and rail/coil guns also, iirc)? I’d just like to see similar recipes’ for laser and energy weapons.

Actually, on re-reading, I see you were talking about the lightsaber. I was joking about that. Kind of. Seriously though, if we have flaming bats why not energy based swords? (Doesn’t have to be craftable, could be an easter egg like the jedi cloak)[/quote]
Flaming bats = Rags wrapped around baseball bat that are then doused in flammable liquids and set on fire.
Lightsaber = Complex piece of futuristic weaponry involving Sci-Fi Crystals and Lasers.[/quote]

A lightsaber is basically a contained plasma field on the end of a projector. Trouble is that pre-Cataclysm plasma weaponry had managed to make a fairly bulky and infrastructure-intensive large gun. The tech to make an elegant and precise plasma blade isn’t around.

[Arek_PL]

well “lightsaber” (more like folding ceramic plasma bat) is possible to make something like this only problem is not enought compact and powerfull energy source but in cataclysm we have UPS what can power our sword for short time maybe rare weapon at lab or military bunker