# !science!
**URL:** https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276
**Category:** The Bunker
**Created:** [May 17, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276 "2013-05-17T10:13:43Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@Nopkar](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Nopkar)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/1 "2013-05-17T10:13:43Z")
I’d like to start a !!SCIENCE!! board, specifically to determine certain effects within the game.
IE: Weaponizing fire to be efficient and ‘controlled’ (see: burns almost everything)
efficient building practices for vehicles (X engine consumes Y fuel for every Z kg or steel frames can withstand ramming into a build at X mph)
Methods for Kitting zombies and their friends
etc etc.
This is not a “aww dude, i did this and it totally worked!!”
this is more of a “Place 2 sticks in a pile, 7 tiles long, light the middle stick when z’s are 8 tiles away and you’ve created a wall of fire” (tested a few times, works 70% of the time with spectacular results after a sizeable horde has accumulated)
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### Author:  [@TheRealTenman](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TheRealTenman)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2013, 1:19pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/2 "2013-05-17T13:19:58Z")
How dwarven…I support.
Mainly because I want to read what you crazy methodical bastards come up with
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### Author:  [@kilozombie](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/kilozombie)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/3 "2013-05-17T15:41:24Z")
I was going through a really bad time and discovered this:
1. Have Web Weaver.
2. Have the mini-flamethrower, a lighter, matchbook, etc. I used the flamethrower but anything should do.
3. Kite a couple enemies toward you- set a few blocks of web on fire and run away.
Since not every space walked produces a web, it’s hardly that dangerous. The tile you set on fire has a “fire” while all the others are “small fires” but almost anything that goes through the gauntlet dies.
If you don’t have Web Weaver, dropping 2x4’s on the ground works in a pinch, just takes more time.
Cleared out half a town without a weapon this way.
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### Author:  [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/4 "2013-05-17T20:24:39Z")
Do be very careful with fire around any area you frequent regularly as a web weaver, though. I’ve nearly killed myself before by causing flash fires in my own base with my own webs. 😕
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### Author:  [@drake1storm](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/drake1storm)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/5 "2013-05-17T20:56:53Z")
An easy way to clear a small town is to get a motorcycle with no muffler, drive around the town until you have every zombie you can find following you, and then lure them to a gas station. Place a noise emitter once you park your bike safely on the other side of the station, and lob a molotov at the tanks.
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### Author:  [@Ziga](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Ziga)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/6 "2013-05-17T21:04:31Z")
> [@drake1storm](#):
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> An easy way to clear a small town is to get a motorcycle with no muffler, drive around the town until you have every zombie you can find following you, and then lure them to a gas station. Place a noise emitter once you park your bike safely on the other side of the station, and lob a molotov at the tanks.
even though that post includes fire I don’t think it has enough !!science!!,
how about artifacts? anyone willing to do some !!science!! with those?
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### Author:  [@drake1storm](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/drake1storm)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/7 "2013-05-17T21:06:19Z")
> [@Ziga](#):
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> [quote=“drake1storm, post:5, topic:1276”]An easy way to clear a small town is to get a motorcycle with no muffler, drive around the town until you have every zombie you can find following you, and then lure them to a gas station. Place a noise emitter once you park your bike safely on the other side of the station, and lob a molotov at the tanks.
even though that post includes fire I don’t think it has enough !!science!!,
how about artifacts? anyone willing to do some !!science!! with those?[/quote]
There is no science superior to pyrotechnics.
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### Author:  [@TurningBreeze](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/TurningBreeze)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2013, 10:25pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/8 "2013-05-17T22:25:41Z")
I don’t believe there’s any great need for an investigation of fuel efficiency since gasoline is very plentiful, multiple gas tanks can be installed and keeping a few steel jerries full of gas in the trunk is a no-brainer.
I think something to do with vehicle construction would be more valuable, in the event that the player must cobble weld together a starter vehicle out of compressed scraps and abandoned bicycle wheels for example. It might be nice to optimize for a zed-proof cab to sleep in, a design which can survive high-speed collisions, a getaway car that can save the player when their speed has been dramatically reduced, the tradeoff between storage and engine performance, et cetera.
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### Author:  [@Nopkar](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Nopkar)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/9 "2013-05-18T01:56:55Z")
Well, i fear that plentiful gas may not be a long lasting solution as the devs plan on nerfing that a bit (i don’t know to what levels but it may be quite a bit.)
How heavy of a vehicle do you need to smash through a house and keep going? and at what speeds?
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/10 "2013-05-18T03:22:23Z")
Through the use of 17 V12 engines I nearly got to Mach 1.7
I ran out of road with my seatbelt on.
I think I hit three labs, an apartment building, and a LMOE bunker and kept going.
When I jumped out I turned to Gibbs.
Later I found the wreckage of the bike, it was imbedded in a military bunker.
I found that Mach 2.3 is capable with 29 large electric engines and 5 reactors.
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### Author:  [@Ferodaktyl](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Ferodaktyl)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/11 "2013-05-18T03:29:50Z")
does the electric engine breaks apart when pushed to max like the gasoline ones do?
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/12 "2013-05-18T04:20:33Z")
Yes, but meh.
Also, at lvl 6 throwing you can throw broccoli at lightspeed and gib a hulk.
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### Author:  [@Mrnocamera](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Mrnocamera)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2013, 9:38am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/13 "2013-05-18T09:38:57Z")
[quote=“gtaguy, post:12, topic:1276”]Yes, but meh.
Also, at lvl 6 throwing you can throw broccoli at lightspeed and gib a hulk.[/quote]
With level 11 throwing, you can headshot a squirrel from as far as you can see.
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### Author:  [@Dalgul](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Dalgul)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2013, 10:13am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/14 "2013-05-18T10:13:18Z")
At level 20 throwing you can decapitate a hulk from 2 miles away with a piece of string.
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/15 "2013-05-18T20:15:41Z")
Clearly indicating that combat skills (at least) really weren’t intended to get to 20.
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### Author:  [@i2amroy](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/i2amroy)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/16 "2013-05-18T20:22:41Z")
Yeah right now the “best human skill” is sort of balanced for a skill level of 10, so once you get above that then you are moving into the superhuman range (or at least that’s the current balance documentation, who knows what the older code is balanced towards :P).
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/17 "2013-05-19T14:58:38Z")
The most expensive throwing weapon is the gold bar. Also it seems to be able to 1-shot a hulk at lvl 8 throwing.
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### Author:  [@KA101](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/KA101)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/18 "2013-05-19T19:14:42Z")
> [@i2amroy](#):
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> Yeah right now the “best human skill” is sort of balanced for a skill level of 10, so once you get above that then you are moving into the superhuman range (or at least that’s the current balance documentation, who knows what the older code is balanced towards :P).
Combat code has been balanced for 10-12 as top/line for a while, IIRC: you can get your mutation-based attacks out every turn with 10 DX and that much Unarmed skill.
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/19 "2013-05-19T19:16:54Z")
Do chemical effects stack? I want to be able to do enough coke to get into orbit by running and then jumping.
Really a drug-mule car full should do it, but orbit is rather high. I wonder if the international space station will let me in?
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### Author:  [@vultures](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/vultures)
#### Post date: [May 19, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/science/1276/20 "2013-05-19T19:30:08Z")
Well, eastern lite cavalry messed up quite a few armies of medieval knights with their javelins. They were so heavy that they were ment only for close combat, and yes, they penetrated a full set of plates.
So if you wanna know, throwing a coin off a twelve story building cannot kill a human being. But if I am a super-owner-of-the-world and with my STR 15 wield one big car wheel in every hand, I’m expected to kill seven zombies in front of me in this round.
And you can make paper planes out of wrappers or slash the Zs with your big toenail - know this - sledge was the most terrible of gear in Fallout. And it’s a bloody rock. (!)
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