# Rob Gronkowski shot a minigun without mounting it. We should be able to do it as well

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**Created:** [September 14, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743 "2020-09-14T22:21:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![4R53N1C](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/4r53n1c/32/6819_2.png) [@4R53N1C](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/4R53N1C)\
**Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/1 "2020-09-14T22:21:11Z")

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Survivors with high strength should be able to fire a minigun/machine gun without needing to mount it on a bipod or something. It shouldn’t be physically impossible anyway. We’ve all probably seen Terminator. A highly fit individual (like a hardened survivor) should be able to shoot a minigun. And since power armor and CBMs/mutagen exist in this world, increasing your strength to superhuman levels is doable.

Would be nice to have super high strength mean something in-game.

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 10:44pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/2 "2020-09-14T22:44:57Z")

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Source?

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**Author:** ![harison86](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/harison86/32/10005_2.png) [@harison86](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/harison86)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 2:25am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/3 "2020-09-15T02:25:47Z")

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I think [this](https://twitter.com/247sports/status/993563614186483714?lang=en) is what they’re referring to. Robert Gronkowski is a pro football player, 6’6", around 268 lbs and can fire a M134 minigun in 1-2 second bursts without being knocked off his feet.

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**Author:** ![Profugo\_Barbatus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@Profugo\_Barbatus](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Profugo_Barbatus)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 3:03am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/4 "2020-09-15T03:03:21Z")

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Would love to see what the accuracy of that was like, he was swinging and bouncing it just in that burst.

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**Author:** ![harison86](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/harison86/32/10005_2.png) [@harison86](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/harison86)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:22am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/5 "2020-09-15T04:22:21Z")

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Abysmal, probably. But it’s still possible regardless to carry and fire it unmounted, and genetically enhanced, cybernetically enhanced, or power armor clad characters would be able to manage it a bit better.

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 4:39am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/6 "2020-09-15T04:39:04Z")

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He doesn’t appear to be carrying the ammo, which appears to be a significant portion of the volume, and probably mass of using that gun.

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**Author:** ![spicyshadow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5e9695/32.png) [@spicyshadow](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/spicyshadow)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:44am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/7 "2020-09-15T08:44:05Z")

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> [@harison86](#):
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> Abysmal, probably.

Given the number of bullets fired I doubt that accuracy is too much of a problem. Just shoot in a general direction and as long as it isn’t very far away you are bound to hit something. Also, most enemies in cataclysm come very close before attacking you so shooting at them like this would be VERY effective. you could just vaporise a horde coming to close and even any the toughest enemies would need maybe one or two bursts of fire to take care of.

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**Author:** ![harison86](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/harison86/32/10005_2.png) [@harison86](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/harison86)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/8 "2020-09-15T14:36:08Z")

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Then he could use a shopping cart, or be genetically/cybernetically enhanced, or wear a powered combat exoskeleton to easily carry the gun plus ammo and brace against the recoil.

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**Author:** ![anothersimulacrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/anothersimulacrum/32/10770_2.png) [@anothersimulacrum](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/anothersimulacrum)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/9 "2020-09-15T14:43:54Z")

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1. Not carrying it without extra infrastructure
2. I’d like to know what portion of the mass that ammo is before I agree
3. Yeah, potentially

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**Author:** ![Nonesuch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/nonesuch/32/8516_2.png) [@Nonesuch](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Nonesuch)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/10 "2020-09-15T15:28:27Z")

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That’s a fairly small change, right? Basically a strength requirement? It makes perfect sense for powered armor to lug the stuff, it’s nothing BUT support and bracing so shooting a minigun or other vehicle based weapon/heavy weapon isn’t a problem. Carrying ammo shouldn’t be a problem either as, again, it’s a powered exoskeleton. And it’s a near-future trope that fits with the new meta of the Cataclysm happening the day after tomorrow.

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**Author:** ![harison86](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/harison86/32/10005_2.png) [@harison86](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/harison86)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/11 "2020-09-15T15:41:44Z")

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The M134D-H weighs 19.77 kg in-game which appears to be in-line with [reality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun#Dillon_Aero_minigun).  
7.62x51 M80 ammo weighs 18 g per cartridge in-game, though [in reality it’s 25.4 g](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO#Cartridge_dimensions).  
Every M13 link in an ammo belt weighs [approximately 4.35 g](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M13_link#Design_details).  
So if you want 30 seconds of sustained fire at a leisurely 3000 rpm, a 1500-round belt would weigh ~44.625 kg or ~98 lbs. Plus the minigun that totals ~64.4 kg.  
In-game, a 14 strength character can carry 69 kg without straining.

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**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/12 "2020-09-15T15:53:25Z")

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Fair enough.  
But I will undermine that by saying that I’ve been hearing Kevin say for quite a while that carry weights are too high.

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**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/13 "2020-09-15T19:45:03Z")

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Anecdotal whatever here…

As a backpacker, I confirm it being way too high. For me, an average strength man, carrying 28kg in a very good hiker backpack for a couple of hours is extremely tiresome.

Edit: I have heard stories of very experienced mountaineers that hauled about 50kg, but for short periods of time.

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**Author:** ![spicyshadow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5e9695/32.png) [@spicyshadow](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/spicyshadow)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/14 "2020-09-15T20:19:03Z")

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How should thing that you are wearing be considered. It is much easier after all to wear thing than carry them since the weight is distributed more.

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**Author:** ![4R53N1C](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/4r53n1c/32/6819_2.png) [@4R53N1C](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/4R53N1C)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:34am UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/15 "2020-09-16T03:34:28Z")

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On a related note, I just watched a video of a soldier dual wielding M249s. Would definitely be fun to do lol.

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/gCra4qOrjFw/hqdefault.jpg "Army Soldier dual-wields some M249's") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCra4qOrjFw)

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**Author:** ![Zhilkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zhilkin/32/3749_2.png) [@Zhilkin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zhilkin)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/16 "2020-09-16T15:08:48Z")

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No, we should not. Average survivor is weak.

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**Author:** ![harison86](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/harison86/32/10005_2.png) [@harison86](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/harison86)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/17 "2020-09-16T17:52:11Z")

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Good thing nobody suggested the average survivor should be able to do it then, only high strength survivors enhanced with mutations/cybernetics/power armor if necessary.

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**Author:** ![Zhilkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/zhilkin/32/3749_2.png) [@Zhilkin](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/Zhilkin)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/18 "2020-09-16T18:32:21Z")

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I see “hardened survivor” which is just an average human.

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**Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/19 "2020-09-16T18:33:14Z")

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High strength survivor (what would the strength value of Rob be?) should have the following capabilities:

1. Be able to shoot like this without being knocked over.

2. Shooting at a at a medium should be very ineffective if not useless. But anything at extremely close range (less than 5 tiles or something) should get absolutely shredded. This would be a good way to deal with Kevlar hulks and other nasty creatures or you might be able to hold a choke point just by unloading on it every few turn until you run out of ammo.

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**Author:** ![harison86](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/discourse.cataclysmdda.org/harison86/32/10005_2.png) [@harison86](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/u/harison86)\
**Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://discourse.cataclysmdda.org/t/rob-gronkowski-shot-a-minigun-without-mounting-it-we-should-be-able-to-do-it-as-well/24743/20 "2020-09-16T18:43:02Z")

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And I see “Rob Gronkowski”, who is very not average. I also see “highly fit individual”, not “averagely fit individual”, and “hardened survivor” not “average survivor”.

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